[Request] North Pole Glory Hole

[evercrow]

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I'm glad it's clear, that visual novels shouldn't be judged like the rest hentai games, because they are in different category.I prefer attitude "VN's are too different to be called games", rather then "VN's are too shitty to be called games".The last type of people either never played good VN in native language(I recommend Fate\Stay Night as good translated VN with some H) or an arrogant idiots,critisizing what they shouldn't.

Now, talking about flash hentai games - I think we can talk about proper evolution only in maker tools, not the content and quality itself.Because really, how much decent-sized groups(not sure if I can call them companies) are making money on this? Zone, Meet'n'Fuck,LOP, maybe couple of others...It's too few for a healthy competition.

 

[Wessex]

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You forgot famous toons facials... lol

 

[JohnDoe]

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from jungle girl, and then demon girl ive seen about three spin-offs.

shinobi girl and angel girl are two good ones and one not so good one was that 3d miss America game.

upcoming spin-offs are even being updated on this site, but there slow in the making.

now we wait for the spin-offs of those, and then we might have something. remember, copying other peoples work is hard and takes time

and to inky, i did consider glory hole to be good, and am still enjoying it a few days later, and in my opinion story doesn't belong in porn, so ill turn to other mediums for a good story.

Curiously enough all the game you mentioned are to me the same as M&F, swissmade and most general stuff, interesting for half an hour and trashcan fodder for the rest of eternity. When i think of games i go for NS, toffi's latest games, most rpg maker games, eluku's FF, even humbird0's stuff and there is many more. These i call revolutionary, just look at the fucking assload of rpg maker games that are popping out, like mushrooms after heavy rain, lately, if that isn't revolution i don't know what else is.

On the VN argument i have to add two things:
1.VNs and fan-fictions are two completely different things, fan-fictions extremely rarely give visual support, while VNs are most of the times heavily reliant on it.
2.Although most VNs are just straight lined and completely unchallenging, there are some that actually give you options and choices influencing the story and events, this form of interactivity makes them belong to the "game" category, much like "Gamebooks", thus saying VNs are not games as a category is a generalization and disproves itself in the fact that even thought the majority of men are straight, not all men are straight.

 

[evercrow]

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These i call revolutionary, just look at the fucking assload of rpg maker games that are popping out, like mushrooms after heavy rain, lately, if that isn't revolution i don't know what else is.

And that's why i said about evolution in maker tools. They are almost as easy to make as VN's now, because all you need to seriously work on is good story and finding fitting images.So the effort on drawing original art instead goes into composing original levels and npc-massed locations. Oh, how horrible were those first text quests with adult themes...

2.Although most VNs are just straight lined and completely unchallenging, there are some that actually give you options and choices influencing the story and events, this form of interactivity makes them belong to the "game" category, much like "Gamebooks", thus saying VNs are not games as a category is a generalization and disproves itself in the fact that even thought the majority of men are straight, not all men are straight.

I sense controversy here - you said yourself about "gamebooks", and i think it's better term for VN's than "games".I've read a few interactive books in my life, and they too were with branching story and choice-dependent plot.But it's still a book, right?In VN you too spend most of time reading, not planning your route through choices. There are some of them(and many good ones too) with implemented various card-battle, mahjong and minigames, but that's what i call mixed genre.

Ugh, I hope it doesn't turn into argument about definition of term "game", I would be bare-handed.So, just my imho

 

[kikikira]

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You wouldn't be refering to "Goosebumps: Choose your own adventure" series of books would you?

 

[Oberon]

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...fuck off.

You clearly have no respect for a well told story, because that's what most visual novels are; a very well told story, with interesting characters and an engaging plot. I'd take that over a short and quick thrill any day.

So tell me, what's a real game? Something with amazingly high quality artwork, storytelling and dialogue, or something like North Pole Glory Hole, which is good fun for maybe half an hour total time?

In fact, don't tell me, because I don't want to hear your answer; you've already shown to have no respect for anything that isn't giving you instant gratification.

To play devils advocate, if I want a well told story I would read a book or watch a video. If I want a game, I'd play a game, its a very different thing.

Most of the 'click to watch the next scene' games are basically movies that you have to click on. I suspect if you made a movie that required you to click play on your remote every 30 seconds or so it wouldn't sell, no matter how good it was.

All that said, there is a difference between a good game and a bad game, and there are a lot of different types of games, for different preferences. But the less relevance player decisions have on the game, the less it deserves to be called a game.

-Oberon

 

[moomoo78]

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But the less relevance player decisions have on the game, the less it deserves to be called a game.

I agree and takeing it a step further, there are exceptions but in most cases an electronic game(card and board games not withstading) has the player controlling a charecter or charecters either from a first or third person perspective and the buttons they press to move attack defend heal ect directly affects the ending.Or, it has the player rapidly click on the screen to hit shoot or dodge incomeing enemies and projectiles,and or manipulate objects with a specific goal in mind. Its been said before I'm saying it again, a visual novel is not a game it is as the very category names it a novel, a very short one to be sure, that makes heavy use of imagery to help carry the story. Vn's arent games they are picture books. M&F are neither games nor Vn's but rather a strange hybrid of the two. They vary from a simple click to advance format to choose which girl you screw to a mix of talk to me then shake your mouse to make a disembodied penis have sex with me scenarios. To date the only thing I (emphasis on the I) have from M&f that can qualify as a true game, "is north pole glory hole", it plays like a perverted version of whack-a-mole

 

[JohnDoe]

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I sense controversy here - you said yourself about "gamebooks", and i think it's better term for VN's than "games".I've read a few interactive books in my life, and they too were with branching story and choice-dependent plot.But it's still a book, right?In VN you too spend most of time reading, not planning your route through choices. There are some of them(and many good ones too) with implemented various card-battle, mahjong and minigames, but that's what i call mixed genre.

Ugh, I hope it doesn't turn into argument about definition of term "game", I would be bare-handed.So, just my imho

No, it's not a book, it's a gamebook, it's called that because it's both a game and a book, like a vidoegame is not a video, it's a videogame, you can call it mixed genre, but everything can defined as such. If i see a movie i can say it's a mix of video and audio(and bullshit most of the times, but that's another story...).
The point i'm trying to make is that you can't identify the VN's genre as "not games", it's such a vast family that includes so many variants that you can't just generalize and call them not games. The "mixed genres" you refer to still belong to the VN's group, much like sRPG, jRPG and DnD's spawns are all considered RPGs.

Oh, almost forgot to destroy your hopes.

Key components of games are goals, rules, challenge, and interaction.(Wiki)

 

[evercrow]

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No, it's not a book, it's a gamebook, it's called that because it's both a game and a book, like a vidoegame is not a video, it's a videogame, you can call it mixed genre, but everything can defined as such. If i see a movie i can say it's a mix of video and audio(and bullshit most of the times, but that's another story...).
The point i'm trying to make is that you can't identify the VN's genre as "not games", it's such a vast family that includes so many variants that you can't just generalize and call them not games. The "mixed genres" you refer to still belong to the VN's group, much like sRPG, jRPG and DnD's spawns are all considered RPGs.

Oh, almost forgot to destroy your hopes.

Key components of games are goals, rules, challenge, and interaction.(Wiki)

I thought we were talking about hentai games.So lets not talk about "vast part" (Hide-n-seek is also a game, but this doesn't relevant to current argument) and focus on small part of the game family.Or we could go much more offtop,then we are now, and that would be boring.You could call VN's whatever,but my point being - even if VN's are H-games(if Japan calls them so, I will also),they shouldn't be judged by the standarts of the rest, more gameplay oriented H-games.All you need for good VN is a good story and more or less decent art.The rest, like abundance of sex scenes and branching routes is a matter of preference(like mine )

Oh, and make "hentai game" as next definition, I'm kinda interested will it be just something simple like "previous definition of game+ have some hentai in it" or not.

 

[silentone]

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To date the only thing I (emphasis on the I) have from M&f that can qualify as a true game, "is north pole glory hole", it plays like a perverted version of whack-a-mole

Key components of games are goals, rules, challenge, and interaction.(Wiki)

Sorry moomoo78 but you don't get to have opinions on commonly accepted definitions. If a M&F game was just a series of colored dots with a prompt giving you a vague hint on what dot to click on, that would constitute a game.
Checklist:

Goal- get the girl.
Rules- click on the dot. click on more dots. Did you click the wrong dot? you will restart at the point before you clicked the wrong dot (its like a respawn).
challenge- Challenge is not defined by difficulty. Rather, challenge refers to actions that can be taken. Sometime you are wrong in what you say. If you did it intentionally, then the game won by enticing you to fail the task.
Interaction- its as interactive as clicking the mouse on words can be.

I will not argue that the sex-scenes are game-y. There are very few rules, and often there is no challenge (there are the occasional move the mouse fast scenes, and those count). Anyway, as GAMES they are pretty horrid. I'd rather play Nim.

 

[JohnDoe]

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I thought we were talking about hentai games.So lets not talk about "vast part" (Hide-n-seek is also a game, but this doesn't relevant to current argument) and focus on small part of the game family.Or we could go much more offtop,then we are now, and that would be boring.You could call VN's whatever,but my point being - even if VN's are H-games(if Japan calls them so, I will also),they shouldn't be judged by the standarts of the rest, more gameplay oriented H-games.All you need for good VN is a good story and more or less decent art.The rest, like abundance of sex scenes and branching routes is a matter of preference(like mine )

Oh, and make "hentai game" as next definition, I'm kinda interested will it be just something simple like "previous definition of game+ have some hentai in it" or not.

We were talking about VN's game status, the fact it may contain hentai or not doesn't matter since there is no need for hentai material to make a VN, besides even if we limit ourselves to hentai products, the amount of hentai VNs out there will still make the most part of the whole genre.
Also, "Thief & sword" is a hentai visual novel with an interesting gameplay side, to make an example that previously didn't come to mind.

To answer your little request, the hentai part of an hentai game is not connected to the gameplay side, but to the context. The hentai defines the kind of content the game will be built around, it is in itself a definition, for a hentai game is any and each "game" containing hentai.
I hope this satisfy your curiosity, but if that was not the case i could elaborate more.

 

[moomoo78]

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Sorry moomoo78 but you don't get to have opinions on commonly accepted definitions. .

last I check the above phrase means that there is NO defininative proveable definition for something therefore the definiton is whatever the most widely accepted OPINION happens to be.



And dont try to argue with me on this because I will just ignore you.

 

[JohnDoe]

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I will just ignore you.

Don't go making a post and expect others to accept what you say, if you are going to ignore what others think about what you said.

Besides, we all know you won't ignore an answer when it'll pop out.

Here's my answer by the way. There is no definitive provable definition for a single thing in this and every other universe, everything is based on perspective and experience, words are meaningful as the meaning given by the person receiving them. In this particular case it's not about common sense or popular belief, the definition i quoted is one of the most reasonable, generic and simple that you can find for something as vast and full of subcategories as the word "game" refers to, before you argue about this i hope you can find a different definition that is as reasonable and simple as this one, since you haven't given anything but the idea that you have an opinion that is not even clear to yourself.

 

[Darmy647]

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...*mind-blown*...what was the topic for this thread again? Anyways, i like a little story in my games. Thats one reason i actually disliked what happened to the halo series. halo 1 was amazing epic story, 2 shit, 3 shit, odst pretty nice, reach YAY DECENT STORY IS BACK!

 

[Dr_Maricon]

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Sooooo...

Still no full version, hey?

And 3 pages....

Yeah....

 

[JohnDoe]

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On the first page it was mentioned that it's possible to bypass the the block in the demo to play the full game, in case you missed it.

 

[handofdoz]

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no ending though, and back on topic, did evercrow see full metal daemon muramasa? apparently its a good visual novel with decisions.

 

[Dr_Maricon]

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On the first page it was mentioned that it's possible to bypass the the block in the demo to play the full game, in case you missed it.

I can has proper crack

 

[Incubus]

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Greedy little sods. As if anyone is actually going to shell out for a membership for M&F.

 

[handofdoz]

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Greedy little sods. As if anyone is actually going to shell out for a membership for M&F.

wait they charge you for that?..... thought they made money on adds..........