RPG RPG Maker [さーくる亀 / CircleKAME] F4 -Fatal Fate, and a Final Fist (RJ165444)

[duck666]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

I agree with many of your points but it's just bad writing.
Just watch Yugioh as an example and ask yourself. Where are their parents when they travel to egypt on whim? NOBODY CARES! This is a Hentai game which sold around 5k units.... Expect the scope of the game to match the scope of the actual product which is being sold.

It's a game!! If you use normal logic it of course makes no sense.
I wouldn't even go into that direction in the first place.

My point is just: The main frame of the game is done.
The world, the sound, the "main plot" even if it has holes, the cities & dungeons & other places you can visit. Everything looks good and fulfills it's role.
The sandbox is created. You just need to fill it now

I agree about the assasins and so on but that is all stuff you could fill with a few simple sub quests which may even lead to h scenes and fit perfectly together.

Yuna has so few scenes it is obvious that this in an incomplete game.
Same could be said about lightning since she also has barely any hscenes aside from chapter 2.
Still the main plot is done.

They just need to create those subplots and additional h content now.

In that case, i think our disagreement may be on expectations of the story. For me, I like a coherent story line. Be it hentai, book, movie, etc. For others, it matters less.

Yep, there feels like a lot of scenes alone that should exist that don't.
Listing a few: The love hotel in modern city, the brothel in the oasis town, the scenes for lightning's sub plot, scenes of yuna's subplot, and the movie store in modern city.

 

[Mrgrgr!]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

In that case, i think our disagreement may be on expectations of the story. For me, I like a coherent story line. Be it hentai, book, movie, etc. For others, it matters less.

Yep, there feels like a lot of scenes alone that should exist that don't.
Listing a few: The love hotel in modern city, the brothel in the oasis town, the scenes for lightning's sub plot, scenes of yuna's subplot, and the movie store in modern city.

You have high expectations. I can agree with them and of course I wish that everything has a coherent story line.

Regarding the lacking hentai content and the obviously missing scenes I also fully agree.


But do you expect hentai circles who often have only 1 or 2 guys who work a 40 hour job (in Japan it's probably even longer) and create games in their free time to feature a best seller like story, implemented in a specific hentai rpgmaker game?
They are not getting the support they deserve and thus don't have the time to write such a story over a span of a few months without any distraction.
You can expect a coherent story if they have a FULL TIME WRITER and not a random guy who works hard and does this in his limited free time.
Anyway I bought the game on Dlsite and hope you did the same thing. If not I don't think you should nitpick as hard. There are many similar games with an even worse story.
Many games leave open questions, many movies and series do too. EVERYTHING leaves open questions. I can ask questions about ANY completed medium. There are always questions like: but what about that guy, but what about her story ....
Also there are always people who feel like this & that is missing. That is no reason to call it incomplete though. You can wish it would tie up some lose ends but it is no reason to call it incomplete, that is completely up to the artist/author.

Circle Kame has a history of releasing games with limited h content (with just a core plot and world) just to get some attention & sales.
This game costs under 1500 yen which is less than 15 bucks even though it offers a good 10 hours of content.

They always offer a completed main plot though and only add a few more endings which are a result of additional sub content.

 

[xellos49698]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

So the one thing I miss last time was fighting in the underground arena... where am I suppose to go to get the VIP card for the Club so I can get in without being a thief? Anyone know?

 

[z3r0nx]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

So the one thing I miss last time was fighting in the underground arena... where am I suppose to go to get the VIP card for the Club so I can get in without being a thief? Anyone know?

If you are asking about how to get into the arena to fight, you need to be an adventurer first.

Spoiler

To become an adventurer:
- Talk to the man in the guild in the adventurer town [コーランクス]; he asks you to get a red orb from the dungeon in town (subquest #16)
- Find the orb on the first floor and talk to him again to complete the subquest and get the title "Adventurer" and nickname "Regular Adventurer".

As an adventutrer, you can enter the underground arena in the Pavilion of Corneo, as well as take most subquests (there are a few that require the nickname "First-Class Adventurer," which is obtained by competing enough subquests.

There is a VIP card that you can obtain.

Spoiler

A VIP card can be obtained by getting first place in the arena and then talking to a man in the entrance of the pavilion (before going down to the casino).
With the VIP card, you can go upstairs to rest in a bed.
There is also an H-scene upstairs to see.

 

[hrpgheaven]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

Well no the story is not complete.

Including, but not limited to:
- No storyline way of removing yuna's barrier
- only 1 ending no matter how you played
- the "dark crows" assassin you meet in the storyline quest doesn't lead to anything, yet the assassination of the noble seemed significant - like a revolution was going to happen
- what exactly was the point of killing the demon minister? What was he going to do?
- read some of the books, and it sounds like lots of semi-important side quests (potentially main quests) were left out

Probably to finish his many comissions.

As a fan of Circle Kame, or... Previous fan (I honestly think Arms Devicer was his masterpiece and it all went downhill from there) I hate it that he's always doing comissions for shitty games, seriously, it's like every game he makes a comission for is guaranteed to be bad. This leads to many unfinished products that he takes ages to work on.

As an adult, he's getting his money's worth so, kudos to him I guess.

 

[Dideldidum]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

This leads to many unfinished products that he takes ages to work on.

This i do not understand about Kame. Why does he not work on it till it´s finished? He can release games later at a higher price.

or he could make the games smaller but finish them, like heisendou.

 

[kR1pt0n1t3]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

This i do not understand about Kame. Why does he not work on it till it´s finished? He can release games later at a higher price.

or he could make the games smaller but finish them, like heisendou.

Since we don't know him personally we can only guess.

Maybe the guy prefers doing commissions over working on a game. Maybe he only works on the game when there's nothing else to do.

 

[autizboyz]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

There could be a possibility CK make their content private, only in japan region or some certain member can access it (Like a private patreon or something like that).

But judging from arm devicer + that private content thing might be true (I hope its not cuz CK game have my personal fetish) to prevent pirating or some sort like that, just like what they did to their blog. They make it people cant comment on their blog.

Dont bash me on this theory, its just a nonsense assumption.

 

[Rawr1125]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

There could be a possibility CK make their content private, only in japan region or some certain member can access it (Like a private patreon or something like that).

But judging from arm devicer + that private content thing might be true (I hope its not cuz CK game have my personal fetish) to prevent pirating or some sort like that, just like what they did to their blog. They make it people cant comment on their blog.

Dont bash me on this theory, its just a nonsense assumption.

If such a thing existed, I would imagine that even if it was private SOMEONE would know, and information about it being private would be leaked somewhere.

Especially considering the amount of downloads their games get from dlsite.

 

[Dideldidum]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

There could be a possibility CK make their content private, only in japan region or some certain member can access it (Like a private patreon or something like that).

But judging from arm devicer + that private content thing might be true (I hope its not cuz CK game have my personal fetish) to prevent pirating or some sort like that, just like what they did to their blog. They make it people cant comment on their blog.

Dont bash me on this theory, its just a nonsense assumption.

well it wont matter anyway. if they update their game, we are going to see it on dlsite. i really do not need to see updates on their blog, they have not been that accurate...

 

[Ne0n]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

There could be a possibility CK make their content private, only in japan region or some certain member can access it (Like a private patreon or something like that).

But judging from arm devicer + that private content thing might be true (I hope its not cuz CK game have my personal fetish) to prevent pirating or some sort like that, just like what they did to their blog. They make it people cant comment on their blog.

Dont bash me on this theory, its just a nonsense assumption.

you're right, that's a pretty big, nonsensical assumption that wouldn't actually stop piracy, just slow it down and also assure that they would get less money than if they just put it on DLsite and used a type of DRM system.

they blocked the comments section because they don't want any negative comments about how they are taking too long to release an update, lack of content..etc.

 

[Dimly Lit Hamster]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

There could be a possibility CK make their content private, only in japan region or some certain member can access it (Like a private patreon or something like that).

But judging from arm devicer + that private content thing might be true (I hope its not cuz CK game have my personal fetish) to prevent pirating or some sort like that, just like what they did to their blog. They make it people cant comment on their blog.

Dont bash me on this theory, its just a nonsense assumption.

Doubt it's private, wouldn't make sense to cannibalise their sales like that. Even if developers don't like people translating their games etc, they have to know that people abroad also buy them.

Why would AD+ have something to do with it? (Just curious why you thought that)

The whole commenting thing was because they have a, frankly, rabid fanbase. The comments were getting SUPER nasty and stuff and basically devolved into "When is it going to be done you owe us a game" etc etc.

As for Kame whoring themselves out, partially true, the artist for them does but I don't think they're actually 100% employed by CK, pretty sure it's where he got his start though and the success of the other games led them to the whole "Hey im gonna do any game for a quick buck" approach.

Mind you, that being said, as one of those rabid fans myself, I will agree with Starke, quality kind of dropped off. PF:IF is good, but it actually had content in the demo and Pre "+" version that was removed in later releases like Lana getting pregnant and stuff.

Still, I think this game has potential, it seems heavily story focused from the little bit I've played, and I think if they could integrate that properly with their way of doing lewdness progression etc, we could have a great game.

Same with Arms Devicer S, I'm really hoping they can pull that off well.
I think they will because they said they were just sick of the PF series by the time PF:IF was being released, so maybe some new IP's will refresh their love for it.

Unfortunately only time will tell.

 

[Artslaver]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

Guys, I keep seeing this trend every once in a while on the front. I'm pretty sure they won't add more content to the game, like never. Maybe bugfixes and other small things, but don't expect new events or cg. As many said before me, just remember the last games, how incomplete they felt. I really like Circle Kame, but they keep publishing half baked games and never finish them at all. Just the bare bones of a possible great game. What I don't really understand is how can people keep translating it. Don't get me wrong, I think you deserve a medal. But if I were in your shoes, I would have quitted long ago. I need to know what makes you keep going...

 

[Dimly Lit Hamster]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

Well I mean PF:IF was pretty much complete, just not as much content as expected. This is woefully unfinished though :L

 

[Lucy Heartfillia]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

why not someone add mod content ?

 

[Dimly Lit Hamster]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

Would need new art for one, and two, why bother modding a game that isn't finished and would probably break content later.

 

[Umero]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

Anyone mind re-uploading the partial translation?

 

[HashaIra]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

Transfer some are on version 2.0?

 

[Magster]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

can someone share a save to make a new game + ? Need yuna and don't want to do the game a second time.

Thanks !

Edit : I'm an idiot, just need to finish chapter 1, sorry :x

 

[Mrgrgr!]

Re: (CircleKAME) F4 -Fatal Fate，and a Final Fist

I wonder if Hide finally found a girlfriend or something.

No update, no blog post and his damn Twitter which he used frequently is dead too!!

I want this game in a fucking playable state already (I know it's playable but I don't get any sense of enjoyment out of it as you may have already guessed).