A tribute to the nice guys.

[Momiji]

Re: A tribute to the nice guys.

... You know when I first saw this topic's title, I thought nice guy was referring to how some people are nice in general, and not to women. Obviously I was wrong.

And that brings up a pretty big point that makes up a huge part of my philosophy in life. You're an asshole for even thinking your a nice guy. Of course, I'm too pessimistic about everything. In my eyes, anybody who thinks they're nice is a conceited person. Those who think they should do nice things because it's the right thing to do is the real nice guy/girl/whatever the hell can keep people from yelling about me for not retaining equal rights.

The real nice guy doesn't even acknowledge that he's nice. He probably doesn't even know he's nice. He just does it because it truly is part of his being. The person who has to force himself to be nice isn't actually a nice guy. He's just a polite guy. Meanwhile, the ones who force themselves to be nice and then call themselves nice are people who want to be labeled as nice.

I'm not saying I'm a nice guy either. I'm a 100% hypocrite, pure and simple. But I admit I'm not nice and never will be. Therefore I can let myself say, even though my conscience will still yell at me for being conceited, that I'm better than those people who call themselves nice. I'm the guy who at least wants to be polite at the appropriate times.

But I kinda of went off the actual topic, which is about women. More on the women thing, of course it sucks that you've tried to be nice and it blew up in your face. It doesn't matter if you're genuinely nice or you're a prick who wants some poontang. It sucks to get nothing in return for kindness. But this is where people's true colors show for those who are interested in you. They come in three flavors:

1) The genuinely nice guy, who still keeps being nice because it's the right thing to do.

2) The guy who continues to be nice because he still likes the girl.

3) The dumbshit who flips out over not getting what he wants.

As we go down, in my opinion the people who actually deserve that thank you that Obe posted is 1. The people who are 2 kind of deserve it, but should set his priorities straight. Improve yourself first before you start chasing tail. As for 3, you can go rot for all I care.

Of course there's always that elusive 4th flavor that I'm going to guess that many people are in this forum because if you're like me, and I know you are, you do this a lot:

4) You're the guy who recognizes he's a jackass at heart. People call you nice, but you know you're a prick. That's why you sabotage yourself. Something nice happens, you take it upon yourself to ruin it. With women, the roles are reversed. You deny her the entry because they shouldn't have to put up with your shit. That's why you put up that asshole front; to keep those you care about at bay and don't too close to your rancid center.

... Wait, that might just be me. Either way, in my opinion, 4 is a giant pussy and an emo faggot. Of course, I just described myself, and yes I do mean to call myself a giant pussy and an emo faggot. It's how I roll .

Also, peanuts are for those slobs everywhere that pick their teeth in public view or make loud slurping sounds to get the remnants out of their gums. They must be destroyed at all costs.

Completely agreed with the beginning of your post. (I don't give a shit what you say about yourself, you see) I hate people who think they deserve awards for how fucking awesome and fantastic they are. Newsflash dick cheese, everyone hates you and wishes you would just hang yourself. You aren't getting any fucking awards because you suck dick and you have a one dimensional crappy as fuck personality. What the fuck kind of sick shit runs through your brain that makes you believe you deserve anything?

The "genuine" nice guy is a rare breed, perhaps one that might be found on Discovery Channel. I would suggest you hunt for this elusive creature, perhaps one day you will find one. If not, well, that's why you own rope, now isn't it?

Man, I'm bitter. I want a snack.

 

[Unknown Squid]

Re: A tribute to the nice guys.

Supposed intentions behind the niceness aside, it is a common phenomenon. I know a perfect example of the said girl who dates a fool and gets hurt (repeatedly) and then tells me all about the latest incident for some 2 or 3 hours over MSN. She's a smarter person then me, but I have to wonder how she picks em.

I think I can put it down to this...

As for the girls always seeming to be dating assholes, well that's probably because the assholes have more confidence and ask girls out more than you do.

(Had more to say, failed to write it...)

 

[dmronny]

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I didn't actually bother to read much of what anyone put, but the general consensus seems to be that I'm an asshole. I'm polite but I'm not nice, I don't care what your boyfriend said or did I've got more important problems, sorry go bug someone else.

I hate "nice" guy's/girls because they're whiny self righteous pricks usually. I also think they're idiots for listening to these guys/girls who obviously aren't that nice or they wouldn't treat the "nice" guy's that way. Blah, blah, blah, blarga-flarga, blurga-flurga.

 

[ToxicShock]

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EDIT: Did Toxic just get me two full rep powers? New record!

I'm awesome like that

 

[DarkFire1004]

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I didn't actually bother to read much of what anyone put, but the general consensus seems to be that I'm an asshole. I'm polite but I'm not nice, I don't care what your boyfriend said or did I've got more important problems, sorry go bug someone else.

I hate "nice" guy's/girls because they're whiny self righteous pricks usually. I also think they're idiots for listening to these guys/girls who obviously aren't that nice or they wouldn't treat the "nice" guy's that way. Blah, blah, blah, blarga-flarga, blurga-flurga.

I love you.

 

[Goldstein]

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The simplest solution seems to be to be a misanthrope. Are you a Nice Guy (read: asshole) to women? Simply start being a Nice Guy of men, too! That way, you don't have to deal with any of this shit. And yes, I know that's not what misanthropy actually is.

 

[ToxicShock]

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I love a conversation I had with this girl once. I forgot what I did, but it was a small simple act like holding a door open. And she kinda got in my face about how I was being sexist. I ended up just shoving back in her face with "Actually, I give everyone that type of courtesy because I think it's only fair to assume everyone is nice in return. But I'd like to thank you for saving me the time of getting to know you and just telling me you're a bitch. So don't worry, I won't do it for you anymore"

 

[dmronny]

Re: A tribute to the nice guys.

I love you.

Hey I just tell it like I see it.

 

[Obeliskos]

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I love a conversation I had with this girl once. I forgot what I did, but it was a small simple act like holding a door open. And she kinda got in my face about how I was being sexist. I ended up just shoving back in her face with "Actually, I give everyone that type of courtesy because I think it's only fair to assume everyone is nice in return. But I'd like to thank you for saving me the time of getting to know you and just telling me you're a bitch. So don't worry, I won't do it for you anymore"

I love you.

 

[Alias]

Re: A tribute to the nice guys.

I love a conversation I had with this girl once. I forgot what I did, but it was a small simple act like holding a door open. And she kinda got in my face about how I was being sexist. I ended up just shoving back in her face with "Actually, I give everyone that type of courtesy because I think it's only fair to assume everyone is nice in return. But I'd like to thank you for saving me the time of getting to know you and just telling me you're a bitch. So don't worry, I won't do it for you anymore"

What, you weren't aware that simple common courtesies are obviously signs of the chauvinistic pig lurking within this nice guy facade of yours? You may have everybody else fooled, but now I KNOW

More seriously, you're rikiawesome.

 

[Sinfulwolf]

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That is actually pretty funny Toxic.

 

[Copper]

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Funny and yet also sad, but mostly on that girl's part *shakes head* Reminds me a little of a girl I used to work with.

 

[Twisted]

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I got bored at 1:30AM and made this gender-blind. xD

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This is a tribute to the nice people. The nice people that finish last, that never become more than friends, that endure hours of whining and bitching about what assholes people are, while disproving the very point. This is dedicated to those people who always provide a shoulder to lean on but restrain themselves to tentative hugs, those people who hold open doors and give reassuring pats on the back and sit patiently outside the changing room at department stores. This is in honor of the people that obligingly reiterate how cute/beautiful/smart/funny/sexy their friends are at the appropriate moment, because they know most people need that litany of support. This is in honor of the people with open minds, with laid-back attitudes, with honest concern. This is in honor of the people who respect someone’s every facet, from their privacy to their theology to their clothing style.

This is for the people who escort their drunk, bewildered friends back from parties and never take advantage once they’re at their door, for the people who accompany people to bars as buffers against the rest of the creepy population, for the people who know people are fishing for compliments but give them out anyway, for the people who always play by the rules in a game where the rules favor cheaters, for the people who are accredited as relationship-material but somehow don’t end up being in relationships, for all the nice people who are overlooked, underestimated, and unappreciated, for all the nice people who are manipulated, misled, and unjustly abandoned, this is for you.

This is for that time they left 40 urgent messages on your cell phone, and when you called them back, they spent three hours painstakingly dissecting two sentences their partner said to them over dinner. And even though you thought their partner was a chump and a jerk, you assured them that it was all ok and they shouldn’t worry about it. This is for that time they interrupted the best killing spree you’d ever orchestrated in GTA3 to rant about a rumor that romantically linked them and someone else they think is the most repulsive person in the world. And even though you thought it was immature and you had nothing against them, you paused the game for two hours and helped them concoct a counter-rumor to spread around the floor. This is also for that time they didn’t have a date, so after numerous vows that there was nothing “serious” between the two of you, they dragged you to a party where you knew nobody, the beer was awful, and they flirted shamelessly with you, justifying each fit of reckless teasing by announcing to everyone: “oh, but we’re just friends!” And even though you were invited purely as a symbolic warm body for their ego, you went anyways. Because you’re nice like that.

The nice people don’t often get credit where credit is due. And perhaps more disturbing, the nice peopole don’t seem to get laid as often as they should. And I wish I could logically explain this trend, but I can’t. From what I have observed on campus and what I have learned from talking to friends at other schools and in the workplace, the only conclusion I can form is that many people are just illogical, manipulative fucks. Many of them claim they just want to date someone nice, but when presented with such a specimen, they say irrational, confusing things such as “oh, they’re too nice to date” or “They would be a good partner but they’re not for me” or “They already put up with so much from me, I couldn’t possibly ask them out!” or the most frustrating of all: “no, it would ruin our friendship.” Yet, they continue to lament the lack of datable people in the world, and they expect their too-nice-to-date friends to sympathize and apologize for the people that are jerks. People like that are beyond my ability to fathom. I can’t figure out why the connection breaks down between what they say (I want someone nice!) and what they do (I’m going to sleep with this complete ass now!). But one thing I can do, is say that the nice-people-finishes-last phenomenon doesn’t last forever. There are definitely many people who grow out of that train of thought and realize they should be dating the nice peeps, not taking them for granted. The tricky part is finding those people, and even trickier, finding the ones that are single.

So, until they're found, I propose a toast to all the nice people. You know who you are, and I know you’re sick of hearing yourself described as ubiquitously nice. But the truth of the matter is, the world needs your patience in the department store, your holding open of doors, your party escorting services, your propensity to be a sucker for a pretty smile. For all the crazy, inane, absurd things you tolerate, for all the situations where you are the faceless, nameless hero, my accolades, my acknowledgment, and my gratitude go out to you. You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.

 

[ToxicShock]

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In all fairness to her, I fully admit that chivalry IS in fact sexist. But I think you'd be more worried about ridding the world of chauvinism first, before you start to fight the very thing that BENEFITS you.

 

[Twisted]

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In all fairness to her, I fully admit that chivalry IS in fact sexist. But I think you'd be more worried about ridding the world of chauvinism first, before you start to fight the very thing that BENEFITS you.

I've always seen Chivalry as sexist, I've always found it utterly insane that Men were generally expected to open doors for Women, Pull out Chairs, Help them across the streets and such, but women never really are.

Also, the one that I always get shit about, how if a man hits a woman, everyone jumps his shit, even when she deserves it, but when a woman hits a man, I've generally seen it been reacted to like "YEA! THATS WHAT HE GETS!"

I've always gone with that everyone should hold doors open for everyone else, and just don't hit anybody unless they deserve it. Hit them hard when they do. Don't care about gender

 

[ToxicShock]

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Also, the one that I always get shit about, how if a man hits a woman, everyone jumps his shit, even when she deserves it, but when a woman hits a man, I've generally seen it been reacted to like "YEA! THATS WHAT HE GETS!"

Haha that reminds me.

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Don't know what part I like better, the blood curdling scream like she was murdered, or the meathead at the end who gets up like "Oh god, hero to the rescue"

 

[Kusanagi]

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Huh.

Well, after reading all these posts, I guess I'm not really a nice guy after all. I'm just a sexist bastard because I believe in chivalry.


In all seriousness, I'm nice in general because that's how I was brought up. Of course, that's what it always boils down to; how you're raised is what shapes who you are - at least, that's my opinion on it.

 

[Pheonix Alugere]

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Haha that reminds me.

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Don't know what part I like better, the blood curdling scream like she was murdered, or the meathead at the end who gets up like "Oh god, hero to the rescue"

To put it succinctly: that guy knocked the woman down onto concrete. She could have been badly injured depending on how her head hit the ground.

 

[wallpaper]

Re: A tribute to the nice guys.

Regarding Alias's post way back up there... I'm not sure that whether an asshole who is 'just a douchebag' or has been hurt in the past and is oblivious to being an asshole is really the main concern.

I also don't think that misanthropy or thinking that putting yourself down is the way to deal with this kind of bullshit. Again, I'll repeat....

1) Stand up for yourself. Doesn't matter who's pushing your buttons; tell them that you've had enough. It doesn't have to come down to swinging punches, either. (It probably shouldn't, really.)

2) Treat people equally. Do yourself a favor, think highly of yourself, and think highly of those around you. They might be dipshit dumbfucks, but you can't tell that until they've done something to prove it. Give them a chance, whatever their gender. If they try to take advantage of you, go to Step 1. If they're fair back to you, then woot, you've found a friend. If at any point they turn out to be d-bags, revert to Step 1.

Fair?

 

[Chibichibi]

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D: I can't get the nice guy I want because he's too much of a nice guy to date/sleep with me because we're gonna be roommates!

That's always been my frustration with genuinely nice guys. They've got no backbone to take what they want. I want someone that's aggressive yet nice. xD *is submissive* not someone that's going to be my friend, and be all submissive.

Chivalry is all well and good and I'm glad some people still do that. But though i like my guy opening doors and such for me, i hate having my meals paid for and I hate when it's automatically assumed i want help with something I can't reach.

...

>.>;;

anyway, back to the nice guy thing... Yeah. I want someone who will let me know in no uncertain terms what he wants, whether it be just friendship, a date, or inside my pants. But is nice enough to let ME decide what I want without whining about how nice guys get the short end of the stick.

i think I'm just rambling now. Stupid lack of sleep.