You mean Prima99's list? I think that was made before taking into consideration the reason changes. Saying Revoica completely outclasses Nobunga and Yoshitsune isn't accurate in my opinion as well. Revoica can't dodge and has a slow attack animation. She is much quicker on CD than them, but both the other girls have their own advantages. Saying that Revoica and those other two girls outclass someone like Asmodeus is more accurate. I still need to find Revoica myself but I always pay close attention to her when she spawns in my fights.So im not crazy for keeping Akeno Hibiki as my main tank then yay
edit- thought i should clarify was reading the updated good and bad character list
Well you don't have to worry about it too much until you start attempting Hell Mode anyways. A lot of the end game recommendations are taking Hell Mode into consideration where you need quite an elite team to complete some maps. Almost anyone is viable in normal maps, short of most N girls.my only other real option for my team besides her is asmodeus pretty sure shes pretty meh too or comet and i just dont have the regen to use her yet
im using space pirate sapphires, Cleopatra,ceaser, akeno hibika, and Minamoto yoshitsune. though i do have zero zero just not using her and im on stage 11-4
Speaking of Viable N-girls, I just got one I've never seen before, Orqua.Well you don't have to worry about it too much until you start attempting Hell Mode anyways. A lot of the end game recommendations are taking Hell Mode into consideration where you need quite an elite team to complete some maps. Almost anyone is viable in normal maps, short of most N girls.
before the update comes i hardly in need for either both Nobunaga and Yoshitsune. a group of foot soldiers (i'm switching to either Wizarda and/or Akeno) and Revoica always knockback all them red knights in 17-6. the other two isnt as good in pushing them back. but of course since the update has arrived all three of them gets downsided due to their low attack speed. still i prefer Revoica from those two. Minamoto evasion isnt up to it now the game's changed and Nobunaga is just slow. so yeahYou mean Prima99's list? I think that was made before taking into consideration the reason changes. Saying Revoica completely outclasses Nobunga and Yoshitsune isn't accurate in my opinion as well. Revoica can't dodge and has a slow attack animation. She is much quicker on CD than them, but both the other girls have their own advantages. Saying that Revoica and those other two girls outclass someone like Asmodeus is more accurate. I still need to find Revoica myself but I always pay close attention to her when she spawns in my fights.
Akeno Hibiki is meh. You don't really need her with a good enough team and you sacrifice a lot of HP and attack needed in Hell Mode. Just because she's viable doesn't mean she's the best option, though for intermediate play and non Hell Mode she's alright.
A lot of mid range girls also got an update in this patch and are more viable as well, except on projectile immune maps. They made it so there's more of a reason to actually change your team up once in a while to combat a different enemy strategy rather than being able to just charge through all the maps with the same team. Creating a smaller melee wall with a bunch of ranged attackers is extremely strong now, ranged was mostly useless before.
I'm still having trouble deciding how to set up my guide now because there are a lot more "If" scenarios for every fighter. I'm not sure that I have room to add every girl and give a description of her there, but it might be what I need to do to be fair now since a lot more girls are viable than before. There's only a handful of "OP" or must have girls now like Elfella, Jean, and some SRs (That I can't really recommend because of their difficulty to find). I'm retesting a lot of girls though to double check. Always better to see things in action than just to assume with theory after all.
Oh and I've been using Rag's strategy just by chance because I was leveling Yae/Otomano and found 2 Tamaki and a Y-Poola in gacha while looking for new card food. It's pretty entertaining anyways. You get 2 Yae's up + Otomano, like 2-4 Tamaki and a couple Y-Poola's on the field at once + archers and 6th Heaven Nobunga and just creep along the field without any of your team dying (in normal mode anyways). It's incredibly slow but now that the normal melee wall strategy is slow as fuck too, it's closer to equal.
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Just found an interesting glitch with 3+ Yae's on the field at once. Not sure if I can reproduce it yet but the green healing sparkles won't go away. I recorded it, it's pretty hilarious. I wonder if they're really constantly being healed.
Well see that could be the problem. You aren't in Hellmode testing them. That makes a huge difference in whether or not a girl is good. Most N girls can be 1-2 shot in Hellmode. If I'm understanding you correctly, you're also comparing Yoshitsune/Nobunga to Revoica who has a teammate bonus with Wizarda that majorly improves her stats, it's not a fair comparison. It means that for Revoica to be stronger than Yoshitsune or Nobunga 1vs1, she needs an extra slot taken up on your team/roster by a weaker girl (Wizarda), which kind of makes it a 1vs2 comparison.before the update comes i hardly in need for either both Nobunaga and Yoshitsune. a group of foot soldiers (i'm switching to either Wizarda and/or Akeno) and Revoica always knockback all them red knights in 17-6. the other two isnt as good in pushing them back. but of course since the update has arrived all three of them gets downsided due to their low attack speed. still i prefer Revoica from those two. Minamoto evasion isnt up to it now the game's changed and Nobunaga is just slow. so yeah
had to disagree with Akeno. as slow as she is, she can hold the line due to her evasion skill and you can spam this N girl too. i hardly has the needs to replace Akeno (only just sometimes i switch her with Wizarda but i rarely do that) even if she stand still there she can block the enemies from advancing though of course any Wall units wouldnt stand against pain in the ass enemies like Realizer. even though that she still being able to stand (though will crumbled anyway) against those Realizers in 17-6
the use of Silence Skill (or 1st Skill if you prefer to damage and knock them back) now should be in good use for those who doesnt have line attacking unit. SR enemies gives lots of energy so you can spam it anyway
NOTE: the list that i posted is before the Update comes. will modify it in some time
i did using them when i'm completing hell stages. both of them has taken the slot of Hybrider and Jeanne. while hell mode 15 and 16 are easily played with elfella, hell mode 14 is different since there are these red knights and spammable magicians. both nobunaga and yoshitsune gets their ass kicked by those fast attacking magicians way before my Wall gets into the position. i removed Jeanne out because she tends to get killed when attacking. those magicians are so spammy and fast. damage wise, well she has high crits i wouldnt want to compare how often she pushes enemies back than those two though Yoshitsune seems to be a bit weaker in attack.Well see that could be the problem. You aren't in Hellmode testing them. That makes a huge difference in whether or not a girl is good. Most N girls can be 1-2 shot in Hellmode. If I'm understanding you correctly, you're also comparing Yoshitsune/Nobunga to Revoica who has a teammate bonus with Wizarda that majorly improves her stats, it's not a fair comparison. It means that for Revoica to be stronger than Yoshitsune or Nobunga 1vs1, she needs an extra slot taken up on your team/roster by a weaker girl (Wizarda), which kind of makes it a 1vs2 comparison.
If you say put Yoshitsune and Nobunga vs Revoica and Wizarda, that would both use 2 roster slots, they'd be closer together. Though I'd even say Yosh/Nobunga would have the edge because of Yosh's dodge, and both of them having an aoe instead of just Revoica. Wizarda will also be less useful in Hell Mode.
Again, I'm sure they're a great in normal maps, but I doubt they're actually better than Yosh and Nobunga because of Hell Mode. If your recommendations are given without taking the later stages of Hell Mode into consideration, you should probably mention it. I will surely be thoroughly testing your idea when I find Revioca. Man I've been looking for her forever. I love her art too so I hope I find her soon. She'll probably be on my roster frequently if she's as good as she seems.
yeah this updates really nerfed down all the suggested girls. before the update comes i have no trouble pushing back the enemies. i'm not too fond of Maia her damage is quite low compared to the others. she's only pushing one enemy. 6 bullets each bullet has property to push enemy back but only if it happens otherwise she'll be wasting all 6 bullets on an enemy.Well I hope what you're saying about them is true, because I love Revoica and Wizarda's look/art and would be happy to be able to use them. I'm really running out of room in my inventory though x.x I may have to get rid of my extra Jean/Minamotono soon.
I mean I've cleared through almost all of Hell Mode with Jean, Minamotono, Oda, Maia Mercurious and SAPPHIRES as my main 5 units. They have held back everything long enough to build up Elfella's (Which is basically the only option in some Hell Mode levels) to complete the map. Soon I'll be able to test Tamaki/Y-Poola there too.
What I was trying to say is that I don't think Wizarda/Revoica are bad, I just don't think you can say that they are automatically a better option than Minamotono/Oda. They could both be viable. I already know that Minamotono/Oda work after all on the most difficult levels (Just cleared 14-6 Hell Mode with them). Revoica probably has an edge on Oda, but I'll have to wait to test her to check her resilience. I'd put Mina above Oda after all.
I'm not sure why you think Jean is useless now, she still blocks plenty of projectiles. You can really notice that in stage 14 Hell Mode. She just is more specialized because of the patch and works best now with longer range units like Y-Poola, Maia Mercurious, Shadmalice, mid range girls, etc.
Basically what I'm trying to say: There aren't as many widely viable OP girls because of the patch, so it's very difficult to say that one girl is better than another. It requires a lot of testing with different formations and on different levels. There's really only two girls that I would consider manadatory and that's Jean and Elfella. There are some maps in Hell Mode that you will just not clear without them unless you can come up with some crazy strategies (I know there are some, but they require multiples of girls taking up space in your inventory).
If the game was like this from the start it would have been fine, you could say it's much more balanced now. It just sucks that they popped it on us so late in our gameplay though. I really miss Hybrider x.X There's still some individual girls who could use a little love that weren't very good before and even got weaker in comparison to the other girls because of this patch and their slow attack speeds/bad ranges.
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I don't think Wizarda/Revoica are bad, I just think you can't say they are better than Mina/Oda automatically. There aren't as many widely viable OP girls as before because of the patch, meaning it's difficult to say who is better than who. Jean and Elfella are really only the girls who I'd consider mandatory, and I also wouldn't recommend most N girls for Hell Mode. Fix Hybrider now please, haha. So I'm not even sure I can have a recommendation list because there are a lot more good strategies than before, mostly just because they nerfed the strongest one x.X
I'm not sure on the first question, try just sending her out against one.By comparison, is the red projectile immune knight in stage 11 better than jeanne? And I cant find info on were to farm particular girl on the wiki, can anyone tell me where it's located?
EDIT:I noticed R+ elfella only shoots 1 arrow sometimes instead of the usual 3, is this normal?
You can't actually acquire those red knights, they're just npc units only. It'd be really cool if we got more armor chick fighters.I have neither D:
Been trying to farm Jeanne for a whole day and nothing, getting a little frustrating and was wondering if I should just aim for the red one >.>
Yae did seem better and I've been trying to test her. My problem was that I didn't have much experience with her before the update came, so it was difficult to have a comparison, thanks. I have kept her on my team and have continued to test her.I can confirm the "buff" to Yae isn't a buff, but they fixed how her healing works. Say Yae heals for 100 (random number) health units at level 30. It used to be that 30 will go to person A, 30 will go to person B, 30 will go to person C, and 10 to person D.
On the matter of Wizarda and Revoica: Wizarda's buff never really kicks in because she gets oneshotted far too easily, making Revoica functionally similar to Lucyfar and Y-Poola. If you like the character that's another story, but let's not turn ULMF into 2ch.
I personally haven't noticed an edge over Revoica and Wizarda because Revoica is only good with Wizarda, whereas Oda is about as good (better in that Oda's tankier naturally and doesn't flinch as much) without. Now, if you can snowball with Revoica the melee damage is scary, I agree, but you're unlikely to snowball in the same way as you do in normal mode, and the whole point of a guide here, I think, is to help people with hellmode.
N girls: Tiara and Akeno are really good for hellmode. Akeno's free dodge and Tiara's stun both buy you time much better than even Revoica or Lucy Far, and is one of the reason why Yoshi-chan (as they call her on 2ch) is still one of the best picks for hell mode regardless.