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[habisain]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

What I was saying is that if features are still to be implemented, then there isn't necessarily a sensible way of mapping a save which does not track certain values to one that does. This is simply because the information does not exist in the old save, therefore rendering it incompatible.

I'd also point out that there are likely large issues regarding serialisation/deserialisation, which in Ruby is a pain if you change the object definition. The only game I know of which has reliably loaded across multiple versions is Maidensnow Eve, which was feature complete when originally released (so nothing had to be added) and jumps through a bunch of hoops to get serialisation/deserialiation to work without crashing RPGMaker.

So, I'd agree that it isn't impossible. Just improbably, and probably much more work for ILL than it's worth.

 

[finale00]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

What I was saying is that if features are still to be implemented, then there isn't necessarily a sensible way of mapping a save which does not track certain values to one that does. This is simply because the information does not exist in the old save, therefore rendering it incompatible.

I'd also point out that there are likely large issues regarding serialisation/deserialisation, which in Ruby is a pain if you change the object definition. The only game I know of which has reliably loaded across multiple versions is Maidensnow Eve, which was feature complete when originally released (so nothing had to be added) and jumps through a bunch of hoops to get serialisation/deserialiation to work without crashing RPGMaker.

So, I'd agree that it isn't impossible. Just improbably, and probably much more work for ILL than it's worth.

Serialization is not an issue when it comes to backwards compatibility.

In general, programmers may first check if the value exists before trying to obtain it via lazy-loading or other techniques. Or they may run "patchers" that will just go through all save files and add new records. Or a host of other solutions.

Lazy-loading is an easy way to get around the problem since you will always have a valid value before you try to operate on it, at the cost of potential run-time performance hits if initialization takes some time to perform.

Just a guess, but based on how rpg make handles maps you might be able to take a save that's still on the ship, but not one after the ship.

You will still be able to work with saves after the ship.
It just means you might appear in the middle of a random map and need to edit your save file to move yourself somewhere else.

However, there may be new logic executed during the ship scene which you will need...but will not be able to re-visit...

In which case you'll either need to edit your save file to activate any required switches/variables, or start over.

But either way, there are ways to continue to use your save file after the fact.

 

[habisain]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

Serialization is not an issue when it comes to backwards compatibility.

You haven't tinkered around much with RPGMaker have you? And possibly not Ruby, either.

RPGMaker save files are created via Ruby marshalling. The serialisation specification for marshalled Ruby objects is the source code. If the source code changes, then you can no longer guarantee that something unmarshals correctly. This is made worse by the fact that Ruby 1.8/1.9 (the ones used RPGMaker) can silently load something to entirely the wrong class, meaning you have no way of knowing the process is giving the wrong result.

To my knowledge, DnP does not define custom serialisation/deserialisation, and so it is falling back on the default Ruby marshalling. And because of that, serialisation/deserialisation across versions becomes a pain (believe me, I know; implementing a generic loader for RPGMaker Trans took bloody ages).

Also, regarding the point about lazy loading: it assumes that sensible default values can always be inferred. I reiterate the point that if you're adding in completely new systems to a game, this may be either impossible or too much effort. You have to remember that this game is being programmed by a one man team, and so many of the 'reasonable' solutions become too much effort. Ditto for players on the editting your save file: if it's easier to just start over, then people will do so. Especially considering that someone who has power leveled to stupid amounts in the demo bonus dungeons probably wouldn't see half the stuff in the game, given that it's GoR/enemy rape (if the enemy can't touch you, no H-content for you...)

Anyhow, all of this is moot really. Eventually the game will be released and we can just see if the saves work. But I would strongly suspect they won't, or if they do it will be in a degraded state.

 

[Azunia]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

The guys who think its easy to make a save compatible to a full version of this game... (wich is still farrrrrrr from completing... its a huge 1 man.... one man... a single persons project from Ill... wich also gets Ill... sick... from time to time wich heavily interfere's with his work too)...even from just like this or that map.... obviously never played the previous versions of the trial.... whenever theres a new trial version you where confronted by loads of errors / bugs when loading the old save from the previous version... also in the "fixed" version... you can also count on it when the game gets released... the first month.. maybe 2 months... there will be loads of bug fixing too... so probably not even the save game from version 1 of the full version (when it comes out... its NOT out yet and wont be for AWHILE) wont be compatible with the next one that would be released.

 

[Walrusface11]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

Couple questions:

1. I notice in the status resistance page there is "Spread Legs" and "Doggy Style"
So far I've only had Missionary and Held Up sexual acts performed on Miene. Which characters (if implemented) place her in "Doggy Style." Is it the beasts (cows, pigs, ect) if so I have not been raped by them yet.

2. I'm trying to get Miene to use Spread Legs and Grind Hips outside of Heaven. I know that once you leave Heaven she forgets those things but I wanted to be able to perform these in the unlimited dungeon areas. Would simply allowing her to be continously raped unlock these eventually or is there a certain thing I'm looking for to happen. I know it was said previously obedience was a big thing, if that's what it takes is it possible to even do these things outside of Heaven?

 

[Gamer23]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

Its understandable to get ill for him, if it was me producing that game my body would be drained from all protein daily with little actual work done.(if you catch my drift. Hahaha...)

 

[chrisx]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

cant seem to remember/figure out how to get past the attention 18+ notice after starting new game pressed every key and tried over 10 different times different resets/close open game >_<

 

[12TonWeight]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

Uh, you wait until the game asks if you want to skip the intro, then you choose either yes or no and that's pretty much it.
Otherwise, id ask you to post the error message, if there is one.

 

[chrisx]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

obviously this is what its supposed to look like but when it appears all i hear is a ping sound like the skip or w/e option has appeared and its like this is covering it up blocking it, obviously ive tried again a few more times a few more ways, havent worked, including waiting many minutes for anything to happen clicking everywhere even some words specifically in case it was like i needed to click a keyword, and pressed up down left and right while pressing z,x and other keys, just to clarify most of what i did, its the same for the 3.05 version that i 1st played, tried mostly the same things on both versions, which implies somehow im doing something wrong or just nothings going right for me with the game at all :/

edit: seems the biggest reason y i cant do anything cuz no key i press is like a cancel/back or w/e button, cant back out of config menu or most other types :S

 

[lkkyo]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

is this game out yet? since it says February 2014? or the devs are not developing this game anymore?

i find going through 300 pages would be like impossible to read so i just ask...

if anyone could be nice enough to answer me then thanks

 

[GC02414]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

is this game out yet? since it says February 2014? or the devs are not developing this game anymore?

i find going through 300 pages would be like impossible to read so i just ask...

if anyone could be nice enough to answer me then thanks

ILL is still working on the game. He just sent this out to his Patreons:

"At first. i am gladly appreciate to all your donations. I found trustful (maybe) allergy doctor. I made really useful drawing space. But, my body condition is now good right now, bodies get itch and pain every sec. I cannot breath as normal sometime (because allergic reaction). and worst are Psoriasis around my eyes even on eye-edge. it turn my eye into blurry vision when i read, draw or anything eye concentration. those condition are kill my motiveation. but I do work when I feel I can work. sadly, as soon as blur has come. then I gave up continue the work at the time and took a sleeping drug. then my brain become like brain pudding of shitty typo machine. then i apply treatment on my eyes and going nap and I wish tomorrow don't bother me.

So, the plans of next updates are
-wide screen support (864 * 540). <done>
-make imcomprete items.
-fix the broken showroom dummy.
-create auto save at the map change.
-addiction system.
-translatoable Item / Skill descriptions
-unique event by some of abductor (i.e. Unicorn, Ogre Mage).
-Interior of Siebenstern Inn
-Slum area.
-Heaven 3F.
-Haunted House 2F.
-Equippable slave equips and remove it by town event
-Trap

Anyway, as mentioned above...I cannot unswer ETA. perhaps some contents cannot made at this time."

 

[lkkyo]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

ILL is still working on the game. He just sent this out to his Patreons:

"At first. i am gladly appreciate to all your donations. I found trustful (maybe) allergy doctor. I made really useful drawing space. But, my body condition is now good right now, bodies get itch and pain every sec. I cannot breath as normal sometime (because allergic reaction). and worst are Psoriasis around my eyes even on eye-edge. it turn my eye into blurry vision when i read, draw or anything eye concentration. those condition are kill my motiveation. but I do work when I feel I can work. sadly, as soon as blur has come. then I gave up continue the work at the time and took a sleeping drug. then my brain become like brain pudding of shitty typo machine. then i apply treatment on my eyes and going nap and I wish tomorrow don't bother me.

So, the plans of next updates are
-wide screen support (864 * 540). <done>
-make imcomprete items.
-fix the broken showroom dummy.
-create auto save at the map change.
-addiction system.
-translatoable Item / Skill descriptions
-unique event by some of abductor (i.e. Unicorn, Ogre Mage).
-Interior of Siebenstern Inn
-Slum area.
-Heaven 3F.
-Haunted House 2F.
-Equippable slave equips and remove it by town event
-Trap

Anyway, as mentioned above...I cannot unswer ETA. perhaps some contents cannot made at this time."

oh glad to hear that, thank you!!

 

[Mr.Noname]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

Couple questions:

1. I notice in the status resistance page there is "Spread Legs" and "Doggy Style"
So far I've only had Missionary and Held Up sexual acts performed on Miene. Which characters (if implemented) place her in "Doggy Style." Is it the beasts (cows, pigs, ect) if so I have not been raped by them yet.

Missionary, as every enemy.

Doggy style hasn't been added, but there is a way to activate the "skill", sadly if you press it you'll get an error and close the game. There was on the firsts demos where you could actually see miene in doggy style position (the boar on the intro could push her), but that's about it

 

[chrisx]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

could some1 create a short video on youtube or something how they start playing the most recent update, i think ive only forgotten how to get past the attention/caution/+18 screen and what the cancel/back key is supposed to b or w/e since nothing works for the 3.05 version that i started on as well as for the 3.09 that ive recently tried playing, dont know what im doing wrong so need just a lil help, and a translation of the game manual would b a nice bonus, plzzz help

edit: for some reason the do u want to skip intro has finally popped up, idk y it hasnt till now, i head the sound and would press enter or x or z and it wouldnt work so idk w/e, mayb cuz i finally tried the insert key idk w/e, it finally works
next time some1 should just say what they do since im guessing if its always the insert key for every1 then if some1 told me on the reply i wouldve playing a few days ago and no extra and now pointless posts, instead every1 just thought "no clue what hes doing wrong or whats wrong so ill just tell him so or ignore him" worked rl well for both of us

 

[markus0i]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

ILL is still working on the game. He just sent this out to his Patreons:

"At first. i am gladly appreciate to all your donations. I found trustful (maybe) allergy doctor. I made really useful drawing space. But, my body condition is now good right now, bodies get itch and pain every sec. I cannot breath as normal sometime (because allergic reaction). and worst are Psoriasis around my eyes even on eye-edge. it turn my eye into blurry vision when i read, draw or anything eye concentration. those condition are kill my motiveation. but I do work when I feel I can work. sadly, as soon as blur has come. then I gave up continue the work at the time and took a sleeping drug. then my brain become like brain pudding of shitty typo machine. then i apply treatment on my eyes and going nap and I wish tomorrow don't bother me.

So, the plans of next updates are
-wide screen support (864 * 540). <done>
-make imcomprete items.
-fix the broken showroom dummy.
-create auto save at the map change.
-addiction system.
-translatoable Item / Skill descriptions
-unique event by some of abductor (i.e. Unicorn, Ogre Mage).
-Interior of Siebenstern Inn
-Slum area.
-Heaven 3F.
-Haunted House 2F.
-Equippable slave equips and remove it by town event
-Trap

Anyway, as mentioned above...I cannot unswer ETA. perhaps some contents cannot made at this time."

On the game, that sounds great. On his health, jesus, he's going to die and no one else is going to be able to continue the game after he's dead due to how he programmed it from scratch. :O

I didn't realize he had a Patreon, I threw him a dollar a month because of the hours of enjoyment I've gotten out of his game. It's sad that it says 100% of the money is going to go to medical so he can even work on the game.

You must be registered to see the links

 

[Damoriva]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

How do you get the 'held up' animation to actually stick around? I only get missionary, but rarely the 'held up' animation will show for about half a second.

 

[iamnuff]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

How do you get the 'held up' animation to actually stick around? I only get missionary, but rarely the 'held up' animation will show for about half a second.

you can't, probably.

Each animation is based on an attack by an enemy, and there's no real way to make them use the same attack over and over. Someone uses "held up" then someone else uses missionary, and removes the picture.

On another note: I didn't know ILL had a patreon either. shooting him some cash right now.

Hope your condition improves dude. ILL2ILL.

edit: guess I'm not giving ILL cash. Patreon is demanding my credit card details every time I try to make a pledge, despite the fact that I already have a valid Paypal account set up with Patreon. It doesn't need my card.

 

[souldead341]

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edit: guess I'm not giving ILL cash. Patreon is demanding my credit card details every time I try to make a pledge, despite the fact that I already have a valid Paypal account set up with Patreon. It doesn't need my card.

Since paypal hates all adult material (they literally don't let you directly pay for adult material through them), Patreon prevents you from using paypal for adult patreons.

 

[iamnuff]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

Since paypal hates all adult material (they literally don't let you directly pay for adult material through them), Patreon prevents you from using paypal for adult patreons.

Yeah, got a support message from that stating the same thing.

Pretty sure I'm already supporting two things via paypal though, unless those payments are now declined.

That said, I'm not super enthusiastic about putting my bank card details on patreon.

I'll have to think about it.

 

[saviliana]

Re: RJ113419 - Dungeons and Prisoners

Maybe we should ask ILL for his address over japen, and send him an fat envelope will cash in it. As in the old days.(Pre WWI era)