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I propose a correction method where the guys involved in these correction experience being raped by men to feel what it's like.
Because fighting fire with fire totally works. And it lets even more cocks out.
I propose a correction method where the guys involved in these correction experience being raped by men to feel what it's like.
Because fighting fire with fire totally works. And it lets even more cocks out.
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This works too, and due to the necessity of somehow bringing the lesbians back in on this lends itself to lesbian on donkey action.
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Despite all the stuff I like I'm not sure I'm okay with picturing that image.
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People are assholes.
I've been scouring youtube for awhile, looking across entertaining videos and other things, and I've found a rather irritating trend that's quite popular with people who can't relate to the subject:
Videos of a single dysfunctional person incapable of proper social interaction who are mocked by one of their family members, and humiliated rather than being helped, and have it put on display unbeknown to them by said family member in secret. There are several examples of this, and they're almost always popular. This trend is one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen, if somebody in your family has fits or tantrums, and he's confused in his life, you do not make fun of him and destroy his life for the amusement of the ignorant and unsympathetic public.
As somebody who has had mental problems and social failures before, I know the position of somebody who can't cope with simple problems or short-comings, and it's not pretty or fun. In todays age social short comings and problems growing up properly are all too common, and yes it's rather queer to watch if you've had no problem with it yourself, but honestly people, if somebody is in that position it's just too cruel to point and laugh.
And I think the point I'm trying to get to is, people who fall by the wayside of life seem to be treated horribly, and when I point that out and get angry at somebody for finding amusement in something cruel, all of a sudden I'm too sensitive. Fucking, no, if an older brother is in a constant rage because he's too confused to decide what's right or wrong, you do not get your camcorder and poke him with a stick.
And further more, the guy in the particular video I'm referring to was perfectly capable of causing him physical harm with his superior physique and strength, but he didn't, and that's highly admirable considering just what his shit of a younger brother was doing. The mother wouldn't stop his brother despite the fact that the elder was clearly upset. The views and likes on the videos encourage stuff of the like as well, and only occasionally does somebody point out that the guy filming it is a douche who doesn't deserve the credit.
And then there are the videos were there's a young child who takes stupid things too hard, and over-reacts. Yes it's a bad social habit, but it doesn't warrant getting laughed at by 400,000 people who you don't even know. Not when you're too young to even be responsible for it, for fucks sakes.
So tell me everyone, why should I have faith in humanity when the larger part of society finds a miserable wretch who can't pick himself up funny? I thought humiliating the down-trodden was evil. That family was the most important thing in the world. That helping the weak was good.
The ideals that I love to see, and respect, are constantly portrayed in fictional works because they can be made flashy. Yet real cases are hardly shown, because nobody cares unless it's relative to them or visually impressive.
But for things that are unfortunate, things that are humiliating and sad, those things are given so much negative attention and humorous response that it's almost unreal to me. Or should I say TOO real. The world is just a little TOO real for me at the moment, and I think I need a moment to calm down.
I've been scouring youtube for awhile, looking across entertaining videos and other things, and I've found a rather irritating trend that's quite popular with people who can't relate to the subject:
Videos of a single dysfunctional person incapable of proper social interaction who are mocked by one of their family members, and humiliated rather than being helped, and have it put on display unbeknown to them by said family member in secret. There are several examples of this, and they're almost always popular. This trend is one of the most disgusting things I have ever seen, if somebody in your family has fits or tantrums, and he's confused in his life, you do not make fun of him and destroy his life for the amusement of the ignorant and unsympathetic public.
As somebody who has had mental problems and social failures before, I know the position of somebody who can't cope with simple problems or short-comings, and it's not pretty or fun. In todays age social short comings and problems growing up properly are all too common, and yes it's rather queer to watch if you've had no problem with it yourself, but honestly people, if somebody is in that position it's just too cruel to point and laugh.
And I think the point I'm trying to get to is, people who fall by the wayside of life seem to be treated horribly, and when I point that out and get angry at somebody for finding amusement in something cruel, all of a sudden I'm too sensitive. Fucking, no, if an older brother is in a constant rage because he's too confused to decide what's right or wrong, you do not get your camcorder and poke him with a stick.
And further more, the guy in the particular video I'm referring to was perfectly capable of causing him physical harm with his superior physique and strength, but he didn't, and that's highly admirable considering just what his shit of a younger brother was doing. The mother wouldn't stop his brother despite the fact that the elder was clearly upset. The views and likes on the videos encourage stuff of the like as well, and only occasionally does somebody point out that the guy filming it is a douche who doesn't deserve the credit.
And then there are the videos were there's a young child who takes stupid things too hard, and over-reacts. Yes it's a bad social habit, but it doesn't warrant getting laughed at by 400,000 people who you don't even know. Not when you're too young to even be responsible for it, for fucks sakes.
So tell me everyone, why should I have faith in humanity when the larger part of society finds a miserable wretch who can't pick himself up funny? I thought humiliating the down-trodden was evil. That family was the most important thing in the world. That helping the weak was good.
The ideals that I love to see, and respect, are constantly portrayed in fictional works because they can be made flashy. Yet real cases are hardly shown, because nobody cares unless it's relative to them or visually impressive.
But for things that are unfortunate, things that are humiliating and sad, those things are given so much negative attention and humorous response that it's almost unreal to me. Or should I say TOO real. The world is just a little TOO real for me at the moment, and I think I need a moment to calm down.
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Well the reason you'll never see videos or stories outside of fiction of the strong helping the weak, or family helping each other out, is because it's not amusing to the masses. That and those things are usually dealt with privately with as little outside interference as possible. So there wouldn't be any videos or amusing stories told around the computer at night.
Faith in humanity is a tricky thing to keep hold of, perhaps the reason I've kept mine for the most part, is because I have seen good. I have seen the selfless acts... but they're never advertised, never documented.
Interpreters, and informants in Afghanistan work with ISAF to help make their country a better place for Afghans, but they work with their identities concealed so no one knows who they are, so people don't go to their homes and kill their families. It's things like this that you don't hear about often.
Well the reason you'll never see videos or stories outside of fiction of the strong helping the weak, or family helping each other out, is because it's not amusing to the masses. That and those things are usually dealt with privately with as little outside interference as possible. So there wouldn't be any videos or amusing stories told around the computer at night.
Faith in humanity is a tricky thing to keep hold of, perhaps the reason I've kept mine for the most part, is because I have seen good. I have seen the selfless acts... but they're never advertised, never documented.
Interpreters, and informants in Afghanistan work with ISAF to help make their country a better place for Afghans, but they work with their identities concealed so no one knows who they are, so people don't go to their homes and kill their families. It's things like this that you don't hear about often.
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I understand that people are trying to do good in the world with wars, but what I want isn't big picture work, it's the small things that the little people do with and to each other.
4chan's anonymous is a sort of parody of the public mass, but honestly it's not far from the truth. Most people when not faced with personal consequence act irresponsibly at each chance, and will treat themselves to entertainment at other's expense.
Sure, I can't say that everyone is like the 4chan crowd, but I can say that there are obvious similarities. Honestly, one of my best friends showed me one of these videos expecting me to laugh, and he got confused when I was all of a sudden irate. It just seems to me like ignorance and assumption are the two words that will shape the future of our race, and that the future isn't far away.
But really, that doesn't tell me why there are people who can point and laugh at somebody who's in emotional strain and put into a "courtesy exemption" of sorts, because he or she is incapable of adjusting to social requirements?
I understand that people are trying to do good in the world with wars, but what I want isn't big picture work, it's the small things that the little people do with and to each other.
4chan's anonymous is a sort of parody of the public mass, but honestly it's not far from the truth. Most people when not faced with personal consequence act irresponsibly at each chance, and will treat themselves to entertainment at other's expense.
Sure, I can't say that everyone is like the 4chan crowd, but I can say that there are obvious similarities. Honestly, one of my best friends showed me one of these videos expecting me to laugh, and he got confused when I was all of a sudden irate. It just seems to me like ignorance and assumption are the two words that will shape the future of our race, and that the future isn't far away.
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Like I said, all those small personal stories of good and moral standing aren't usually made so publicly available. People want to deal with these issues in private, they want to help and not subject someone to further embarrassment by plastering it all over the place.
Meanwhile, the people who are assholes and find amusement in the subject matter want more people to see it. That's the difference.
good is humble, bad is show offs?
Like I said, all those small personal stories of good and moral standing aren't usually made so publicly available. People want to deal with these issues in private, they want to help and not subject someone to further embarrassment by plastering it all over the place.
Meanwhile, the people who are assholes and find amusement in the subject matter want more people to see it. That's the difference.
good is humble, bad is show offs?
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It's a need to make themselves feel better by laughing at someone's expense. That's why shows like "The Planet's Funniest Animals" and "Insert country here's funniest home videos" are still going strong. Because we laugh at other's misfortune and it makes us feel better because we aren't them. When we see people that we could be, of course it gets us upset. Because we're them.
>.> Did that make any sense?
That sounds about right. People who do nice things are content to sit in the background, while people who want to be recognized for whatever will drag everyone's dirty laundry into public and go "I'M BETTER THAN YOU!"
It's a need to make themselves feel better by laughing at someone's expense. That's why shows like "The Planet's Funniest Animals" and "Insert country here's funniest home videos" are still going strong. Because we laugh at other's misfortune and it makes us feel better because we aren't them. When we see people that we could be, of course it gets us upset. Because we're them.
>.> Did that make any sense?
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I'm pretty sure that isn't the same kind of humiliation Cappy is talking about. Sure, the people are still being laughed at but it's not really going to affect them in the long run because they can get up after it and brush it off. From what I can tell Cappy is talking about people laughing at someone who's mentally retarded or something along those lines. I may be wrong, but that's what I'm assuming.
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Same principle really. A lot of people laugh at things like that because they need to feel better about themselves by laughing at someone less fortunate than they. That probably couple with the same instinctive wariness that most people have when they encounter stuff out of the norm.
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On the other hand you have children and even adults who may have a mental illness or even just physically handicapped and you have people cruelly laughing and mocking them simply because they aren't considered 'normal'. They are the kind of people that need to be strung up.
Also, people are dicks.
I wouldn't really say it's the same principle, similar, but not same. People who make dicks out of theirselves like on clips shown on home video shows and video's on youtube of people having accidents while doing tricks/stupid things etc... generally shrug and laugh it off with everyone else, granted the odd handful will throw a shitstorm because of it but they need to lighten up. I'm sure all of us at some point have laughed at a friend when they've done something stupid, I know I have.
On the other hand you have children and even adults who may have a mental illness or even just physically handicapped and you have people cruelly laughing and mocking them simply because they aren't considered 'normal'. They are the kind of people that need to be strung up.
Also, people are dicks.
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Time to bust out some fancy college learnin':
Heuristics are mental shortcuts the brain takes because reasoning everything from start to finish over the course of the day from start to finish is a crushing task. The availability heuristic is the one that makes it so that what you see more often you think occurs more often. it's why people are more afraid of plane crashes than car accidents, or of shark attacks than falling coconuts: Which gets more media coverage?
Existing on the internet, even part time, can add to this effect. People are liberated by anonymity, to the point where they feel comfortable doing things they would never have considered otherwise. When you couple this with the above it'll bring you down. But when was the last time you saw an add for Goodwill, or the Red Cross, or the Salvation Army, or Habitat for Humanity? These organizations don't advertise, but still exist and do charitable works for people in need. Churches do outreach and people do volunteer work. And they don't brag about it.
Time to bust out some fancy college learnin':
Heuristics are mental shortcuts the brain takes because reasoning everything from start to finish over the course of the day from start to finish is a crushing task. The availability heuristic is the one that makes it so that what you see more often you think occurs more often. it's why people are more afraid of plane crashes than car accidents, or of shark attacks than falling coconuts: Which gets more media coverage?
Existing on the internet, even part time, can add to this effect. People are liberated by anonymity, to the point where they feel comfortable doing things they would never have considered otherwise. When you couple this with the above it'll bring you down. But when was the last time you saw an add for Goodwill, or the Red Cross, or the Salvation Army, or Habitat for Humanity? These organizations don't advertise, but still exist and do charitable works for people in need. Churches do outreach and people do volunteer work. And they don't brag about it.
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I suppose so, but what I was referring to was indeed people with mental problems. Despite what people may say, not all retardations and social incapabilities are physical, so if raised in the right circumstances anyone can grow up to be inadequate.
What annoys me is that, to make fun of that person is to insult their very existence, rather than a candid camera type , "Hahaha, fooled you, silly guy" type comedy. And that there are people out there willing to subject their own family to that treatment, and further more , that people encourage them to do it.
But now that I've cleared up what I meant, I've had enough complaining about it. However, I'm still shocked about the whole youtube fad, I'm half-convinced that youtube lurkers are 80% prepubescent now.
It's encouraging to know that the good things in life aren't flaunted around simply for the sake of it though.
I suppose so, but what I was referring to was indeed people with mental problems. Despite what people may say, not all retardations and social incapabilities are physical, so if raised in the right circumstances anyone can grow up to be inadequate.
What annoys me is that, to make fun of that person is to insult their very existence, rather than a candid camera type , "Hahaha, fooled you, silly guy" type comedy. And that there are people out there willing to subject their own family to that treatment, and further more , that people encourage them to do it.
But now that I've cleared up what I meant, I've had enough complaining about it. However, I'm still shocked about the whole youtube fad, I'm half-convinced that youtube lurkers are 80% prepubescent now.
It's encouraging to know that the good things in life aren't flaunted around simply for the sake of it though.
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Actually Newbie, I'm more afraid of car crashes because around these parts they get more media attention, they're more frequent, and I've been in two very minor ones.
Plane crashes happen once every few months or so... and the ones that reach the local news can be almost anywhere in North America... meanwhile car crashes are almost bi-weekly, deaths monthly, and only local accidents reach the local news and it's still a fair amount.
Actually Newbie, I'm more afraid of car crashes because around these parts they get more media attention, they're more frequent, and I've been in two very minor ones.
Plane crashes happen once every few months or so... and the ones that reach the local news can be almost anywhere in North America... meanwhile car crashes are almost bi-weekly, deaths monthly, and only local accidents reach the local news and it's still a fair amount.
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I want my Samandahl Rey, dammit! So, over in the giddy thread, I gushed over the fact that Marvel's reviving CrossGen, which is fan-freaking-tastic in my book. However one thing struck a cord with me and it did not strike well.
Sigil.
The other launch title outside of Ruse. This was Sigil's plot, originally:
This was the main character,
This is Sigil's plot now, along with a shot of the main character...SAMANTHA RAY
From what I've read in the little teaser they've put up, Sigil seems like it might be a little more like the Negation Wars or
Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled they've brought them back. I'm just feeling very resistant to massive change right now.
I want my Samandahl Rey, dammit! So, over in the giddy thread, I gushed over the fact that Marvel's reviving CrossGen, which is fan-freaking-tastic in my book. However one thing struck a cord with me and it did not strike well.
Sigil.
The other launch title outside of Ruse. This was Sigil's plot, originally:
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)This was the main character,
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.This is Sigil's plot now, along with a shot of the main character...SAMANTHA RAY
You must be registered to see the links
From what I've read in the little teaser they've put up, Sigil seems like it might be a little more like the Negation Wars or
You must be registered to see the links
.Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled they've brought them back. I'm just feeling very resistant to massive change right now.