Re: Barbarian Babes?
As one might expect, this has generated an opinion in me – one that I am about to give. Also, Blarg, your wish comes true as you are now between the start and end of the argument.
if you think my opinion is wrong, prove it, and if i think your proofs are wrong, i'll prove it, this is the way we learn new things and develop our ideas, or at the very least thats the way i like doing it.
Hey, look, we share similar philosophies. *Grin*
Hoping you'll keep trying to destroy his point,
your friendly neighbourhood JohnDoe!
In accordance with the above philosophy, I will do so, until I am satisfied or further argument is impossible.
Now, the actual response to your post.
So, basically if someone was to find this forum barely interesting only for its hentai section, his/her opinion, for reasonable and politely exposed it could be, would be reduced to "moot",
Most humans, that I know of, end up reaching one specific conclusion (among others) on the behaviour of other humans fairly early in their life - namely, that a person doesn’t always say what they precisely mean. You seem to be strangely unaware of this facet of human conversation when responding to Oni, and instead take him totally literally.
Instead of trying to say that none of DarkWarp's opinions on anything matter to anybody, Oni is discounting DarkWarp’s opinion,
on this matter,
for him personally. He is not attempting to imply that nobody should ever listen to DarkWarp, and he isn’t trying to say that DarkWarp’s opinion in other areas is invalid; he is just stating that he is ignoring DarkWarp and giving the reason why (because Oni doesn’t feel he posts enough for him to care).
It could be that the less ‘direct’ meaning is lost in foreign interpretation, or maybe you’ve just never heard the expression before – you didn’t seem to be familiar with the word moot, after all – …but personally I think you already knew what Oni meant when you responded. I can’t be sure, though, because your argument is ridiculously over-exaggerated, and could only really apply if you thought Oni was trying to tell everybody to ignore all people that do not browse the totality of our forum. Instead, he was stating that he was discounting the opinion of this poster, DarkWarp, in regard to his behaviour on the forum, due to DarkWarp not having enough relevance to Oni for Oni to care what he thinks Oni should and should not do.
With that interpretation of Oni’s post in mind:
completely stripping said person of any human dignity
If someone’s ‘human dignity’ could be stripped from them by being ignored by one person on an Internet forum – or a non-internet forum for that matter – than they never had any human dignity to begin with.
[completely stripping said person of] freedom of expression.
Wrong. Oni did not hinder his freedom of expression in the slightest. Oni did not even
discount his freedom of expression. Oni merely noted that he personally had no care for the poster’s posts. You chastising Oni for chastising DarkWarp is ironically equally or more damaging to
Oni’s human dignity and chilling to
Oni’s freedom of expression as Oni’s post was to DarkWarp. If Oni wishes to ignore DarkWarp’s posts, even for a reason like “because he only posts in the hentai section”, he has a right to – and if he wants to say what the reason he is ignoring him is, he also has a right to. Stop trying to block his freedom of expression, maaan!
That being said, Barbarianbabes was not necro-bumping, but adjourning a pre-existent thread with new informations, and considering the fact that ryona is still considered part of the extremely vast specter of what we call hentai it does fit in the section it's posted on.
Saying that BB was not necro-bumping is like trying to argue that hamburgers literally ‘aren’t food’, because they’re bad for you, even though you *can* eat them and have all the other properties of food. BB posted in a thread that was dead; BB has Necro-bumped. Other factors, including the content of the post, are irrelevant. Note that this in itself is neither a problem nor the real reason that people are annoyed with BB’s post.
That is because BB did 2 things wrong:
1. BB responded to a discussion that had concluded while adding no new content to it, over a year after the discussion had ended. This action lies solely in the realm of “actions only made by people who are stupid”.
2. BB suddenly and blatantly advertised their games, without any ‘hello’ or other forms of courtesy, and without providing any other content to the post (not counting the response already noted, which doesn’t help BB in any way).
I can damn well
guarantee, that if BB had not responded to the discussion that had ended, and instead of suddenly and blatantly advertising, had said something to the effect of “Oh, hey, an article about us! You might like to know, a couple more games have come out since the last ones listed in this thread; they’re gameX, gameY (etc), if anyone is interested in seeing them.”, then the response would have been considerably nicer. (Someone would likely still have posted his or her annoyance at the advertising/resurrection, but the argument would be one-sided in favour of BB.)
Considering also the fact that there might be people interested in this kind of products lingering(or lurking) around in this forum that won't necessarily post, no one gives you the right to decide of your own accord what people might be interested into, but i guess since their opinion is "moot" that wouldn't matter much.
Oni’s post is not going to stop BB from continuing to post updates if he/she/they actually cared about posting here.
It is Oni’s opinion that no one on this forum is interested in BB.
Having this opinion will not magically cause everyone on the forum who liked BB to suddenly dislike it.
Stating this opinion will not magically cause everyone on the forum who liked BB to suddenly dislike it.
Oni has no special power over the minds of others. He cannot stop someone from deciding their opinion on something for themselves. If someone holding a differing opinion reads Oni’s very-basic statement, it won’t change his or her mind. (Though if it does, that person should probably seek mental help…) If anything, it’ll make them post about how Oni’s post is incorrect because they like it. Hell, somebody already pointed out that they were interested in one of the games, shortly after the post where Oni “decided what people might be interested in”.
Oni is entitled to having whatever opinion of the forum’s position on BB that he wants, no matter how stupid or incorrect. Same goes for anyone else. If it is incorrect, other people’s posts will bring this to light, so it isn’t like BB could get an incorrect idea of the forum’s stance from just one or two posts by one member, without being lazy, or incredibly thin-skinned (in which case, gtfo teh intarwebz). It helps that in this case, as I see it, he is basically correct – a few people enjoy BB, while the rest are ‘meh’ at best.
I checked the thread too, for small it is, and no, they are no the exact same things as far as the thread is concerned, since there are no references to the cowgirl thing sequels or the spartika game, if you really need to make a statement, double check your sources with a cooler head, if you are too angry you might miss something. Also making a new thread for the same thing an existing thread already is talking about is as good as necrobumping.
You have replied to two different people while quoting maikochan as if both arguments came from her. The argument that “there was nothing new in the post, everything was already mentioned before the topic was revived” came from moomoo78; maiko just made the argument that the topic was necro-bumped by pointing out that he had continued a dead conversation, without any use of courtesy like one should use when necro-bumping a thread. She did not mention or endorse the argument of moomoo in any way. I’ve already mentioned why I find BB to have been necrobumping and what the problem of BB’s post was, so I won’t go over it again; the reason I’m quoting this is that you’ve attributed a post, and given a response, to the wrong person. Please, if you really need to respond to a statement, double check your sources with a cooler head, if you are too angry you might miss something.
the act of SirOni of attacking DarkWarpalg6's statement, using his relatively restricted interest in this forum as a form of repression.
Oni did not attack DarkWarp’s statement. Hell,
he never even responded to the content of DarkWarp’s post, he just stated that he wasn’t going to consider the opinions of people who only browsed the hentai section of the forum. He never stated that DarkWarp could not express his opinion, that DarkWarp was wrong to express his opinion, just that he would not listen to it. Yes, Oni was hostile, but the actual content wasn’t an attack so much as a decision to not argue about it.
Nazism and fascism both used repressive measures […] if you apply this to the idea SirOni has that someone who is part of a minority has no right to speak his mind
One, that statement is an incredibly wild accusation with little resemblance to anything Oni has actually posted, and two, it’s totally incorrect. I’m not even sure what path of reasoning you used to reach that farfetched conclusion. Oni does not have a problem with all, and probably most minorities. Fuck, what do you call “people who watch hentai” if not a
minority? Or does he think that –he- shouldn’t be speaking, either?
Oni has not stated or insinuated that DarkWarp should not be allowed to speak his/her/its mind. Oni has stated that he does not care about DarkWarp’s opinion. These are two different things.
And, for reference, the first is not wrong either. A person is allowed to hold the opinion that another should not be entitled to an opinion, or that no one should be allowed to hold a certain view. It is only wrong when someone attempts to remove the other person’s ability to have an opinion, instead of merely talking or arguing about it. And yes, while there are avenues to silence someone online only by talking, like harassment of accounts, this is far from those.
In addition the fact that someone has more credibility don't justify treating those who don't in an hostile way.
It isn’t the fact that he has more credibility that allows Oni to act in a hostile way. It is the fact that he is allowed to express his opinion, like all other people are, that allows him to act in a hostile way. As much as you might seek to deny it, your posts and the post of DarkWarp’s to Oni were all also hostile. As is mine, and those of some of the others. There is nothing inherently wrong with responding to something with hostility; the wrongness only occurs in the eye of the beholder.
@SilentSilth
I don't care if you care about caring who i might be, but the fact you had to answer me like this already means you care about what i said, since it pissed you off so much
Faulty logic. I am responding to you negatively as well, because I found your post to be factually incorrect, but while having the emotional involvement of your average rock. I do it for the simple reason that I believe it is important for all relevant opinions relating to an argument to be heard, and I noticed parts of your argument that I found broken, and not covered by other’s posts, and had the time to correct you.
i don't like to see people shut up for being a minority when what they say is polite and correct, as it happend to DarkWarpalg6.
DarkWarp was not polite. DarkWarp was confrontational. Confrontational is not polite. DarkWarp was not correct in attempting to cause a chilling effect on Oni’s freedom of expression, according to your own arguments, which was the –only- purpose of his post, unlike Oni’s response which at least contained the information that he was not going to consider DarkWarp’s opinion.
(DarkWarp was also not correct in thinking that Oni found attacking BB to not be worth it. Considering Oni’s demeanour, Oni probably found it to be totally worth it.)
i like trying to be polite (even tho i fail most of the time).
No kidding!
Inciting Godwin’s Law on your first post,
Insinuating Nazism – because yes, that’s what mentioning nazi’s and relating them to a person is -,
These:
In the end you can find all excuses you won't, but they are just that, excuses, as a matter of fact you were just in a bad mood and needed to release the tension on something or someone, but for this i suggest a FPS or beat-em-up, where no one gets hurt from your needless rage.
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if you really need to make a statement, double check your sources with a cooler head, if you are too angry you might miss something.
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there was no intention of calling anyone a fascist or nazist, you shouldn't focus on the big words.
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I don't care if you care about caring who i might be, but the fact you had to answer me like this already means you care about what i said, since it pissed you off so much you had to resort to my knowledge of the language to find a way to respond to an attack that wasn't even aimed at you.
Conclusion: Snark and Snide is not polite. Not that politeness is particularly important; it’s very difficult to manage and quite overrated anyway.
As an aside:
In the end you can find all excuses you won't, but they are just that, excuses, as a matter of fact you were just in a bad mood and needed to release the tension on something or someone, but for this i suggest a FPS or beat-em-up, where no one gets hurt from your needless rage.
Never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, - and continue that for a while… – ever,
ever state opinions about the state of mind of other people in an argument when you can help it. Psychoanalysis, especially negative psychoanalysis, is inherently damaging to an argument, even on the rare occasions that you get it right.
And I suppose I might as well comment on the actual games while I’m here…
I played Space Girl Interrupt, or whatever it was called, a while ago. I can’t remember much, but while the graphics didn’t impress me, and the gameplay was so-so, I –believe- I enjoyed it overall. However, my memory is terrible and it is quite possible that I didn’t like it. And, yes, the whole ‘only nudity at worst’ part of most of their games is annoying. To me, anyway, there are those that will like it. I could almost think they were going for it just to win the Overly Narrow Superlative of “Best T&A games (that don’t show anything beyond the nudity)”.
