Re: (Nutaku) PeroPero Seduction
So in a effort to do something about my frustration here i decide to take apart the slayer change here and see what its going on.
First we have some assumptions. First one is that anyone who is getting slayers will likely attack rank 1 opponents for 5 tickets a win. Second rank 1 teams are mostly maxed SRs. Now lets get started.
The strongest a weakest SR of a type will for the 2 end points for these calculations. I'm am only going to show the multiplier required to over the default 3x multiplier since attacking a weaker type and same type will always win unless the opponent has a bigger multiplier for slayers.
for Moe we have: Kanae 11100 and Mayuko Abe 10200
for Babe: Miu Minazuki 12020 and Misa Fukasawa 11220
for Sexy: Lilith Lil 13120 and Nanae Koga 11050
For moe card attack/being attacked by babe they will need to overcome a SED range of 36,060 to 33,660. for the low end you have Kanae verses Misa Fukasawa coming in at a 3.04 multiplier needed. On the high end we have Mayuko verses Miu Minazuk with a 3.54 multiplier required.
For babes fighting sexy we have a range of 39,360 to 33,150. The low side has Miu Minazuki verses Nanae Koga needing a multiplier of 2.75. The high end has Misa Fukasawa verses Lilith Lil with a 3.51 multiplier needed.
For sexy fighting moe the range is 33,300 to 30,200. Low end is Lilith Lil verses Mayuko Abe requiring a 2.33 multiplier. High end is Nanae Koga verses Kanae with a 3.01 multiplier.
So what can we tell from these ranges? not much yet. We have to look at the slayer cards as well.
For slayers we have:
Sexy Mio Yuizumi at max sed of 12,540 with a multiplier range of 1.8 to 2.0
Babe Momo Fukami at a max sed of 11,700 with a multiplier range of 1.8 to 2.0
Moe Satori Shinozaki at a max sed of 6,100 with a multiplier of 1.3 to 1.7
Moe Asuka Kuze at a max sed of 6,120 with a multiplier of 1.3 to 1.7
Sexy Asami Higashi at a max sed of 2,700 with a multiplier of 1.1 to 1.2
Babe Mayuri Kimura at a max sed of 2,490 with a multiplier of 1.1 to 1.2
So what can we see here first? unlike other events each slayer is largely too weak to mean anything on heir own. Only the SR slayers have a use in attacking weaker type and same types at rank 1.
So we need combinations of slayers, remember the multipliers are multiplicative rather than additive.
2 SR gives you a range of 3.24 to 4
2 R gives you 1.69 to 2.89
2 N gives you 1.21 to 1.44
1 SR and 1 R gives you 2.34 to 3.4
1 SR and 1 N gives you 1.98 to 2.4
1 R and 1 N gives you 1.43 to 2.04
2 R and 1 N gives you 1.86 to 3.47
1 SR and 2 R gives you 3.04 to 5.78
2 SR and 1 R gives you 4.21 to 6.8
2 SR and 2 R gives you 6.2 to 7.4.
I think this is enough of an example to show you what you need to know here. The last bit is what kind of multiplier a slayer needs to be useful in rank 1 fights.
For Mio Yuizumi you would need a multiplier of 2.44 to 2.66
For Momo Fukami you need 2.83 to 3.36
For Satori Shinozaki you need 5.51 to 5.91
For Asuka Kuze you need 5.5 to 5.91
For Asami Higashi you need 11.33 to 12.33
For Mayuri Kimura you need 13.31 to 15.8
As you can see here the 2 SR are the only ones who can really stand up. For the R you would need a minimum of 2 R and 1 Sr to clear the low end and and 2 SR and 1 R to clear the high end. For the N cards you need a minimum of 2 SR 2 R and 1 N and for Mayuri Kimura the max is impossible since we can only use 5 cards.
So conclusions, If you get anything beside 2 SR, 2 SR and 1 R or 1 SR and 2 R you are paying for a weaker multiplier than we get by default type advantage. This multiplier will only help verse same type and weaker type. With weaker type you should win 90% of the time with the correct help and no multipliers anyway. With same type attacking you'd win a slayer you'd win like attacking a weaker type too but why not just skip the slayer and attack a weaker type anyway then?
As a last note I didn't include EX level since they aren't that common yet and decide not to do any calcs of the arms race of slayer verses slayer since I'd be doing numbers for days. If you find any wrong with my calculation let me know and I'll fix it.
So in a effort to do something about my frustration here i decide to take apart the slayer change here and see what its going on.
First we have some assumptions. First one is that anyone who is getting slayers will likely attack rank 1 opponents for 5 tickets a win. Second rank 1 teams are mostly maxed SRs. Now lets get started.
The strongest a weakest SR of a type will for the 2 end points for these calculations. I'm am only going to show the multiplier required to over the default 3x multiplier since attacking a weaker type and same type will always win unless the opponent has a bigger multiplier for slayers.
for Moe we have: Kanae 11100 and Mayuko Abe 10200
for Babe: Miu Minazuki 12020 and Misa Fukasawa 11220
for Sexy: Lilith Lil 13120 and Nanae Koga 11050
For moe card attack/being attacked by babe they will need to overcome a SED range of 36,060 to 33,660. for the low end you have Kanae verses Misa Fukasawa coming in at a 3.04 multiplier needed. On the high end we have Mayuko verses Miu Minazuk with a 3.54 multiplier required.
For babes fighting sexy we have a range of 39,360 to 33,150. The low side has Miu Minazuki verses Nanae Koga needing a multiplier of 2.75. The high end has Misa Fukasawa verses Lilith Lil with a 3.51 multiplier needed.
For sexy fighting moe the range is 33,300 to 30,200. Low end is Lilith Lil verses Mayuko Abe requiring a 2.33 multiplier. High end is Nanae Koga verses Kanae with a 3.01 multiplier.
So what can we tell from these ranges? not much yet. We have to look at the slayer cards as well.
For slayers we have:
Sexy Mio Yuizumi at max sed of 12,540 with a multiplier range of 1.8 to 2.0
Babe Momo Fukami at a max sed of 11,700 with a multiplier range of 1.8 to 2.0
Moe Satori Shinozaki at a max sed of 6,100 with a multiplier of 1.3 to 1.7
Moe Asuka Kuze at a max sed of 6,120 with a multiplier of 1.3 to 1.7
Sexy Asami Higashi at a max sed of 2,700 with a multiplier of 1.1 to 1.2
Babe Mayuri Kimura at a max sed of 2,490 with a multiplier of 1.1 to 1.2
So what can we see here first? unlike other events each slayer is largely too weak to mean anything on heir own. Only the SR slayers have a use in attacking weaker type and same types at rank 1.
So we need combinations of slayers, remember the multipliers are multiplicative rather than additive.
2 SR gives you a range of 3.24 to 4
2 R gives you 1.69 to 2.89
2 N gives you 1.21 to 1.44
1 SR and 1 R gives you 2.34 to 3.4
1 SR and 1 N gives you 1.98 to 2.4
1 R and 1 N gives you 1.43 to 2.04
2 R and 1 N gives you 1.86 to 3.47
1 SR and 2 R gives you 3.04 to 5.78
2 SR and 1 R gives you 4.21 to 6.8
2 SR and 2 R gives you 6.2 to 7.4.
I think this is enough of an example to show you what you need to know here. The last bit is what kind of multiplier a slayer needs to be useful in rank 1 fights.
For Mio Yuizumi you would need a multiplier of 2.44 to 2.66
For Momo Fukami you need 2.83 to 3.36
For Satori Shinozaki you need 5.51 to 5.91
For Asuka Kuze you need 5.5 to 5.91
For Asami Higashi you need 11.33 to 12.33
For Mayuri Kimura you need 13.31 to 15.8
As you can see here the 2 SR are the only ones who can really stand up. For the R you would need a minimum of 2 R and 1 Sr to clear the low end and and 2 SR and 1 R to clear the high end. For the N cards you need a minimum of 2 SR 2 R and 1 N and for Mayuri Kimura the max is impossible since we can only use 5 cards.
So conclusions, If you get anything beside 2 SR, 2 SR and 1 R or 1 SR and 2 R you are paying for a weaker multiplier than we get by default type advantage. This multiplier will only help verse same type and weaker type. With weaker type you should win 90% of the time with the correct help and no multipliers anyway. With same type attacking you'd win a slayer you'd win like attacking a weaker type too but why not just skip the slayer and attack a weaker type anyway then?
As a last note I didn't include EX level since they aren't that common yet and decide not to do any calcs of the arms race of slayer verses slayer since I'd be doing numbers for days. If you find any wrong with my calculation let me know and I'll fix it.
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