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This is my 'main' team as it were that I mostly use for... well, everything. I'm not even sure how to go about fitting some witches into that... I guess I just need to start thinking of more specialized team set-ups, but so many units I like...
Well usually we keep replacing and replacing unit depend on the map.
For example in dessert story map later you probably will have 10-12 ranged unit (this include multiple witch archer VH pirate healer etc etc)

I don't think you need to worry like having 1 all purpose main team cuz thats actualy hard, on a note not all map need all 15 member some only need 7-8 or at most usualy 12.
 

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I was looking at Lafate's Aigis wallpapers and I was thinking, you know, as great as these are, it's still missing something?

 

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I was looking at Lafate's Aigis wallpapers and I was thinking, you know, as great as these are, it's still missing something?

much better now
 

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If you're finding that a witch might be useful you could replace one of the silver archers depending on desire. 2 Archers are generally more than enough.
Yeah I thought about that. Bashira is weaker then Soma and Daniella right now, I haven't got her 100% Affection or anything yet, working on it.

I find witches really limited, but I think that's just because I haven't been leveling them enough.

Well usually we keep replacing and replacing unit depend on the map.
For example in dessert story map later you probably will have 10-12 ranged unit (this include multiple witch archer VH pirate healer etc etc)

I don't think you need to worry like having 1 all purpose main team cuz thats actualy hard, on a note not all map need all 15 member some only need 7-8 or at most usualy 12.
Yeah that's true I guess. I'm working on my witches now so I can actually farm Phalanx 2...
 

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I don't think you need to worry like having 1 all purpose main team cuz thats actualy hard, on a note not all map need all 15 member some only need 7-8 or at most usualy 12.
Many of us have played with one primary team for quite a long time. Sure as upgrades were gotten they replaced weaker units in the same slot (healer for a healer ect), but I'd say aside from the 2ha's I had at the start (Garret & Burnice) my team hasn't changed much. I've also rotated a second Witch in and out before, but nothing beyond that.

As to harder, how is leveling more than 15 units easier?
If anything that is harder and far more time consuming.
With enough time it'll be done for everyone due to various maps, but a good base is enough to get you through almost anything, not counting very specific challenge maps at least.

The only reason you can't create a perfect base team from the very start is a sheer lack of units, as your team will be all silver or lower until you level up or get some premium rolls going.

Personally I think it's more important, especially for a free player, to focus on a single base team to get them strong enough to get through the challenges.
After the main team is leveled then you go back and shore up any holes you might have so you can sub in another unit for certain maps.

Just my take on it. Not trying to argue here, but I think there are two sides to these types of decisions, and players should be informed and make their own decision between the two, or even something in between.
 

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My strategy has been to only invest into units I am confident I will use for a long time (Basically any female units of a given type that I want to use), which is why I still slack when it comes to raising my Male units because I don't consider them a long term staple for my team. I just level them as needed to clear event maps and then leave them.
 

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I was looking at Lafate's Aigis wallpapers and I was thinking, you know, as great as these are, it's still missing something?

Best Aigis wallpaper I've seen.
 

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As to harder, how is leveling more than 15 units easier?
If anything that is harder and far more time consuming.
With enough time it'll be done for everyone due to various maps, but a good base is enough to get you through almost anything, not counting very specific challenge maps at least.

The only reason you can't create a perfect base team from the very start is a sheer lack of units, as your team will be all silver or lower until you level up or get some premium rolls going.

Personally I think it's more important, especially for a free player, to focus on a single base team to get them strong enough to get through the challenges.
After the main team is leveled then you go back and shore up any holes you might have so you can sub in another unit for certain maps.

Just my take on it. Not trying to argue here, but I think there are two sides to these types of decisions, and players should be informed and make their own decision between the two, or even something in between.
Ah i think u misunderstood what i mean.
Its true you can always replace unit from strategy wise and so on, i been doing this for a long time already.
What i mean is some map also have gimmick in them that make it harder to use some unit. Its like a flyer enemy only map trying to put melee right its not great, or recently heavy armour only in JP ver map using physical atk is not recommended.
There also stuff like dark elves enemy where these enemy race have 50 MR

What i mention is its hard to have 1 team of 15 unit can be used for everything, depending on map you might have to replace 1-2 unit from there.
Hence there no need to worry about having 1 team that can do everything just be versatile when there a need to change ur unit party.
Of coz spread lving might also back fired you as your unit might not strong enuff to handle that key point
 

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I was looking at Lafate's Aigis wallpapers and I was thinking, you know, as great as these are, it's still missing something?

I hereby disown you. You are banned from this thread for such heresy.
 

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@Altrius,

Mission maps can be beaten with a single team formed from the start.
There's typically a base or "core" everyone starts with and branches out from there, but most teams regardless of access to units will have the following:

2 Soldiers
2 Archers
2 Healers
2 Mages

The above is universal (almost always), and even where some maps have a gimmick, it's still a good idea to have the above in the team unless it is just one of those challenge maps that out right require specific unit(s) types to get past.

As for some of the gimmick maps differences, some are as simple as placing an archer before the soldier. There are several rush maps like this, that placing the archer first instead of the soldier is more ideal in preventing being overrun. However the above core is based on current maps we have and availability of those units ensures a prominent core that everyone uses, even now.

It's also the reason you find all recommendations for CC often go to Katie (soldier) 1st and 1 of the two archers as the most recommended units to CC second, since everyone has access to them. The healers and mages often follow. Witches are not actually on the list, but given that we get 2 for free, most teams have two for quite awhile till they can either get a replacement witch, or another unit that fits their play style.

Currently the biggest variable you can see when looking at most players teams are what duelists they use (Valkyrie, Rogue, Princess) and if they use 1 or more HA's and / or Witches. Typically this is the only wiggle room we see in many players teams, and also the most diverse portion of a given team. Because of the core, they are often successful regardless of the non-core units, provided they are leveled enough for the content they are trying to beat.

Sorry if I wasn't clear about what I was saying either. As I said before I'm not arguing about the strategic value of building up all units, or just swapping units out as needed, as there are some maps that simply can't be done with anyone's typical "blind run" team, they are however, at least currently, few and far between. So my statement of the core team being the first things that should be worked on will hold true.


(In general)
Most players will need to level their core units, even replacing as new units are acquired ( gold for a silver healer for example ). For the most part having that well rounded team with multiple options will serve them better then trying to just pick and swap units randomly or with out good cause.

Another thing is the way maps limit placement. So it's also recommended to split your team between melee / ranged units. You don't ever want to have just two proximity units in a primary team and the rest ranged, or vice versa. That is a strategic flaw, and will cause many failures (wasted Cha and/or Sta). Having 7 of both and then adding a final to finish out the team will be the most productive especially for new players. This way you are neither lacking on ranged units, nor melee. You can of course replace units at a later time to fill any needs, but doing the above will get you further with less, and with less "I need to level X (non-primary team) unit cause I can't pass the current map" situations.

Just how I've done both my accounts, and both have been successful. My free account has done very well because it has a good core, and a swath of non-core units to fill various needs. The only thing I really desire for that account is access to a princess, which I don't have, and likely wont have access to unless I get lucky in 2k gatcha.

Hope this helps people and is more clear then previous post.
 

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@xovian
Well all i can say i'm about 70% agree with what u mention.
We just have differece opinion thats all + i doubt argueing about it not gonna help so i will stop here.

The thing need to be watched is map gimmick and certain enemy type.
I will explain it now since this will help your planing of coz i'm not gonna put it too far ahead.

Lets say the next story map is dessert map correct ?
In this map will be introduced a avenger type mob where the lower their hp is their atk multiply.
The 1 of the big enemy here is mummy the big 1 have 10k hp 500 atk 250def 30MR, but he is avenger (not boss unit, there plenty of them runing around)
So if his hp below 25% he wll hit 3x as hurt making it 1500 atk.
In this story map ranged is pretty important that i believe 3/4 of ur team will consist of ranged.
while on it there also sandworm that only appear when is tanked, although these enemy pretty minority there also 1 map with tons of them.

next is map gimick weather condition. (not in story map)
the most usual 1 is probably sandstorm, during this weather effect your ranged atk range will be reduced *i think 1/2* this also effect healer unit.
sometime due to ranged spot being hard most ppl consider using melee unit instead.
When certain unit type with map gimmick combined thats whe the fun started :)
 
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I'm not worried. Aigis-sama will always let me back in. :D
Even that demoness hates that thing!

EDIT:
So... you rape Adele and she just goes along with it because it is literally her fault your doing it.... alright then... apparently it isn't only Thetis.
 
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All those heated discussions though...
On a side note - spent 100k doing 2k summons and got 2 silvers... Finally i can do this. (CC Soma is here on behalf of all Somas i spent to max CR her)
 

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All those heated discussions though...
On a side note - spent 100k doing 2k summons and got 2 silvers... Finally i can do this. (CC Soma is here on behalf of all Somas i spent to max CR her)
How is it heated?
2 different view points, both of which are viable depending how a player implements them.

It just information with supporting information. Don't make it something it's not.

As to Soma, now you can start CC'ing a couple others for later AW (saves space).
 

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All those heated discussions though...
On a side note - spent 100k doing 2k summons and got 2 silvers... Finally i can do this. (CC Soma is here on behalf of all Somas i spent to max CR her)
I can do this:

 

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I can do this:

Okay I'll admit I'm impressed.

Umm this all I got lately.

lvl168 title: Phoenix
Ability: HP + 50%

Yea nothing to write home about. :(
 

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go for lvl 195 was it ? (forgot) the 1 give the last morale title.
And yeah ppl always have different opinion so don't worry too much.
As long no one forcing their idea on other i think its all good.

for me i think i'm too focused on future patch since i played JP aigis, but hey thats still way too far later on. (stuck on 940 kill subjugation map *cry*)
My idea might not be great for ppl who still focus on starting map / event.
The good part is i know some trick to help me as well :D
 

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go for lvl 195 was it ? (forgot) the 1 give the last morale title.
Wonder if the desert maps will be released by then.
Hoping that's the next update really, but given the breaks between events we've seen previously, everything still seems like a long ways off, even with the skipped events.

Come Tuesday my primary team will be formed the way I want it for quite some time as the only unit I'll be looking forward to after Anya/Echidna is one of the Onmyoji / Necromancers for a unit that summons.
Dancers and Anna I'll also consider, but they too are a ways off I believe.
 

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For the first time, I probably wouldn't mind a break.

It'll give me a chance to cc the 15 or so Gadoras that are clogging up space.
 
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