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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Oh god. Time to break out the tinfoil hats again... People are so bored. See? This is what happens when you delay events, Nutaku! SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE?!?!?!
 

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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Well gonna drop that topic. Too many misunderstandings. Not even know where some statements came from.
 

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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Well seems like this has become a heated discussion :eek: And I was only complaining about my account being cursed with bad luck lol

(Warning: Very long post)

Anyways about facts and data about drop rate. I guess first we must ask where we getting the drop rate data from?

I guess most people refer to the data on this JP blog post:


It shows drop rate for N and H as both being 55% here, while E is 70%.

Well first to clarify, that data you see there isn't actually data compiled from hundreds/thousands of people running the daily and compiling it together.

The drop rate there is actually taken from leaked info from a bbspink (sort of like 2ch) thread for Aigis. Back then, people were able to mine for the drop rate data from the game and see the "secret number" for drops. The numbers you see there (55 for example) is presumably the range that you'd have to "roll" on the RNG to get the drop (0~55 you get drop, 56~99 no drop) - at least that's what the explanation on that page says.

Anyways, firstly, the "data" on that page is from Aug 23, 2014 or older, so that's at least 1/2 a year old info.

Secondly, on 2014/12/11 maintenance, the devs changed it so that people could no longer "see" (or mine for) the secret numbers for drop rates anymore. If you take a look at this page that has compilation of drop data for Aigis events...



...You can see that the most recent events lack drop data - that's because people can no longer mine for drop rate data from the game anymore due to something the devs changed.

So we can only assume that the current drop rates are the same as 1/2 year ago (keep in mind that since the above data was leaked, they recently added Extreme version for dailies too - so who knows what happened to actual drop rate after that update).

Also, I understand it's logical to assume that the higher the difficulty = better drop rates. However this is not always the case.

Again using data from the above blog where a lot of ppl get their info from:

Stamina Efficiency for Rainbow Fairy:
E:0.02/2 = 0.01
N:0.03/3 = 0.01
H:0.03*2/6 = 0.01

If you're hunting for Rainbow Fairies alone - then according to data the stamina efficiency for all modes is the same. However things change when you have Celia (she increases drop rates for spirits):

Stamina Efficiency for Non-Awakened Celia:
E:0.04/2 = 0.02
N:0.05/3 = 0.0167
H:0.05*2/6 = 0.0167

Stamina Efficiency for Awakened Celia:
E:0.05/2 = 0.025
N:0.06/3 = 0.02
H:0.06*2/6 = 0.02

As you can see, with Celia, it's actually more efficient (if you're hunting for Rainbow Fairy) to do E mode instead of N or H.

So we can't always assume H > N.

However in the case of Demon Crystal daily, I agree that H mode should theoretically have better stamina efficiency for drops... however personal experience proves otherwise lol :D

Also although I've always had bad drop for H mode compared to N, I know that it's possible for this to happen too:

- Few unlucky souls like me get consistent bad drop rates for H
- Few lucky souls get consistent good drop rates for H
- Everyone else gets everything in between

= Aggregate drop works out to 55% (hopefully) - just that some of us are getting the short end of the stick.

P.S. Btw, JP version devs do change drop rate from time to time apparently. For example in the latest Belinda renewal event, drop rate for Belinda was increased. So we can't always assume drop rate will never change over time or with updates.
 
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

This en thread is geting soo much arguement.
lets look at the fact already instead of assuming.
1st the drop rate for H and M is the same, overall the H 1 give more crystal average / stam. This drop rate data is been kindly given to use by ppl who played aigis way longer before you or are you gonna say they give us a fake data ?
You're giving me tired head.

What part of "WE DON'T KNOW" is hard to understand?
Spewing things as if they are law from DMM, is neither subjective, nor accurate. We do not have the statics for enough runs over the current life of OUR game to prove anything, one way or another. Frankly put our sample size is just to small. Is DMM the best we got for info, you bet, but it is foolish to follow everything blidly with out question, considering we don't know what may or may not have been changed. And thus far it hasn't been an open source issue for information for our version either.

Nothing more to say on it, other then if the games were so identical, the newest event wouldn't need fixing, and it would be released as scheduled.

Come to your own conclusions.

Edit:
@BlueMoon

Thank you, someone who could put it far more eloquintly than me. And my spelling is bad today cause spell check broke.
Least someone can give the subjective view that I'm asking people to use, that's all i wanted.
 
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Well seems like this has become a heated discussion :eek: And I was only complaining about my account being cursed with bad luck lol
Don't worry, seems like I was the one to start this mess with my own doubts *sigh* And well said. Mine suggestion about being a bit sceptical with DMM wikis/sources info was missed it seems.

Anyway, gonna drop asking about reliability of the drop rates or any other factors.

Still I'm gonna see for myself and keep track of drops. If anyone else is curious to check this out I will gladly receive pms with the results of your thursday H and N map runs, no matter which you'r doing or if you'r mixing them. And we will see if consistency of N map is just a coincidence and if H map really drops much less 4+ drops than N map or not.
Like I wrote before, more data=more reliability.
I'm checking it anyway so pm your results if you're bored :p
 
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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

So I just got Elaine from 2k lottery in my alt, then I got this in my main from 2k. (I really wish I recorded it, but I guess the starting level is proof enough....)

I don't know what this game is doing to me anymore. Somewhat worst part is that I just got Alissa to 100% affection. Welp, it's a damn good thing I have 3 Doras I can sacrifice, technically 4, but I feel like I should save that one level 40 Dorca.
 

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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Well, about that drop thing.
Last week i got 45 Crystals (out of 4H +1 E runs) week b4 got 50+Crystals out of 3H+1N This week got only 15 from 2 H runs so far, so its all just luck.
 

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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Well, about that drop thing.
Last week i got 45 Crystals (out of 4H +1 E runs) week b4 got 50+Crystals out of 3H+1N This week got only 15 from 2 H runs so far, so its all just luck.
Damn that's some crazy luck :eek:
 

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Nope it's quite average actually. Full drop form 4H+1E is 78. i got 45 a bit more than a half
Lol average, your damn lucky, i get 2-3 drops average on H runs, i only saw 4-5 drops 2 times since i started to run H map. :(
 

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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Immortal Beast done by 1 star skip, but it's done. Ready for the desert stages.
 

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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

so who is the completion bonus for immortal beast anyways?
 

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Ah you don't need to clear immortal beast to go into dessert map.
All you need is clear castle retake.

Btw isn't that belinda event drop rate change has been announced at least that what the translation given to us said drop rate is fixed and buffed, although we don't know which 1 is buffed the silver /bronze /fairy / or belinda herself also for which map, well it always come to pure luck get or not get only 2 choice :p
 
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Yeah I meant to say Belinda event and not just Belinda herself - but I think most ppl playing JP ver were more interested in drop rate for Belinda herself :p

But if they "buffed" drop rates like you said, it's the same as changed, no? lol "They didn't change drop rate but they 'buffed it'." < it's kind of contradicting statement? :confused:

Btw from comments on seesaa and gcwiki, ppl were estimating drop for Belinda for latest renewal to be 10~15% based on their results - but sample size may be too small.

Btw isn't that belinda event drop rate change has been announced at least that what the translation given to us said drop rate is fixed and buffed, although we don't know which 1 is buffed the silver /bronze /fairy / or belinda herself also for which map, well it always come to pure luck get or not get only 2 choice :p
 

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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Also just finished Immortal Beast with 1 star.

Was able to CC Mehlis thanks to that, since I got the silver mage as reward.
 

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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Will there be any events close by that will give valerie/silver mages as drops? I'm running very low on them, and 2k gacha is not being very helpful with the drops at the moment.
 

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Will there be any events close by that will give valerie/silver mages as drops? I'm running very low on them, and 2k gacha is not being very helpful with the drops at the moment.
If we get Odette's event you can farm them their.
 

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Re: (Nutaku) Milenium War Aigis (English Version)

Oh god. Time to break out the tinfoil hats again... People are so bored. See? This is what happens when you delay events, Nutaku! SEE WHAT YOU'VE DONE?!?!?!


While I wish I had a definitive answer to give you, I don't. In-game mechanics are entirely the purview of the JP side.

We raised the question of drop rates with them after the first event went live and people started speculating. Their answer was that the drop rates were "in line with the JP version."

Make of that what you will.
 
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