Laws of the Night OOC and Discussion

[TentanariX]

Re: Laws of the Night OOC and Discussion

Would you possibly be open to new people guys? I might have to give it all a good extensive reading though. I've played Masquerade a little bit, but it's been forever.

 

[dmronny]

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Sorry, but I'm not looking to add anymore players right now. If I was more experienced maybe, but I'm having troubles running it with just the few people I have now. So sorry, I don't think so.

 

[Sinfulwolf]

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Good, Chapter 1 is all done. Chapter 2 will start whenever it starts. Any questions, concerns, complaints, or death threats knock yourselves out.

Yeah. Question: Why don't vampire suffer from fresh decomposition aside from Pallor Mortis, and Algor Mortis?

Concern: Am I weird for having researched full decomposition of a human body straight down to how and when maggots are able to get inside and start feasting?

Complaint: The weather is fucking cold, and makes me wish I was suffering from some Algor Mortis myself to be fine with it.

And Death Threat: Uh... fuck you Osama?

 

[Shrike7]

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umm, well, let's see:
assuming Pallor Mortis is the skin lightening, it probably has to do with how to blood doesn't pump and/or oxygenate and/or other stuff inside the body anymore, though i don't know the specifics. As for Algor Mortis, I don't even know what that is, so... yeah.

Weather-wise, we're doing pretty good in these parts, though north of Wetaskawin (somewhere near edmonton) is a giant white-out all across the province.

 

[dmronny]

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1. Never try to apply real-world physics and such in a role-playing game, it will drive you insane if you try to actually explain things in such a manner. Still I'll try to answer, the blood that you take from others isn't actually being pumped through the veins of your body nor is it just sitting in your stomach. It's just sort of magically absorbed by your body, making it so you can move, etc. etc. Make sense.

Yeah that's right I just used the standard GM cop-out of magic, deal with it.

2. No, but you are annoying for making me look up the stages of decomposition are. Just so no one else has to look them up: Pallor is paleness, algor is coldness, rigor is stiffness, and livor is blueness, followed by decomposition, and skeletonization.

3. It's not that cold here, but that's probably because the 16 inches of snow we got is insulating me.

4. When did I become a Saudi Arabian terrorist, or was that not a death threat for me?

 

[Sinfulwolf]

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That wasn't a death threat for you for I have no reason to be upset with you, much less attempt to harm you in any physical way.

And sorry for being annoying, I was just trying to think of something silly off the top of me head.

 

[dmronny]

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Really, wow I think that makes you the first player I've ever had who didn't want to kill me then. Oh wait that's right they usually don't want to kill me till after the game is over.

Well when I said annoying I meant it in the sarcastic sense, I always forget that sarcasm doesn't work on the internet.

 

[Sinfulwolf]

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Especially on me. On the internet I am particularly dense to sarcasm.

 

[dmronny]

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Yeah, which is why I pointed it out.

Now I have a quick question mostly just for Shrike and Copper, since they're probably the only ones who might find it weird. If I changed some things from what is considered canon would you object or do you find anything wrong with the ideas.

The things I want to change are that the Gangrel didn't leave the Camarilla, instead they were always independent. It shouldn't change anything at least for the chronicle, and it doesn't preclude Gangrel from belonging to a sect.

The other thing is for the Malkavians to explain their paucity in the game. When the Camarilla Malks got hit by the wave of madness that caused them to develop dementation it caused a majority of them to leave the Camarilla and join the Sabbat. Meaning the few that are still Cam are now the antribu.

Oh and since I'm having the year in the game be 2010, I'm saying the Week of Nightmares never happened nor did Gehenna obviously.

Oh and I'll probably start the next chapter this weekend.

 

[Copper]

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Given that Gangrel were mostly independent to begin with, I don't have too much of an issue with it. It might also help get over that hurdle of "traitors" and whatnot that some Cams might have about the Gangrel. Of course, as my Copper is oft fond of pointing out that it's an old Kindred saying to "Watch Gangrel, and when they are uneasy, leave." She oh so helpfully points out that the Gangrel LEFT the Camarilla and leaves other Kindred to do the math. Guess she'll have to find her amusement elsewhere in that regard.

Now who's making people look up words? I suppose that makes sense. I've got no real issue with it, to be honest, but, again, I'm only half of the ones you're questioning. It makes *sense,* although not having Malks around could just be explained as a regional thing just as easily, but your suggestion has merit. Remember the golden rule of DMing: If something in the rules doesn't work, feel free to change the rules. (So long as it's fair.)

Which one was that again? And I certainly hope Gehenna isn't upon us. That would suck.

Sounds fine to me.

 

[Shrike7]

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Well, let's see:

1) Makes sense to me, no real issues with it.
2) Again, makes sense, though I don't see why it's necessary. Up to you though.
3) The week of nightmares was when the Ravnos Antideluvian awoke, yes? Yeah, I have no real love for either that or Gehenna in general, so yeah, it hadn't happened so far, and I hadn't planned on including it. Feel free to follow my shining example XD

 

[Copper]

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Thought that's what it was. That might change a little bit in the write of the Ravnos too, since apparently the LotN book that I was using to get my information out of included that, which was why Ravnos were few and far between and the outlook of the other Kindred was sort of changed toward them. Whatever works best, though.

 

[Sinfulwolf]

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Now, I know Gehenna is the kindred apocalypse and all that... but what exactly happens during it?

Also if the Gangrel are independent of the Camarilla, couldn't Claire flip the Prince the bird and go find other members of her clan or something? She more than likely won't for the simple fact that a course of action like that could result in second death, but she technically could because of her clan, correct?

 

[dmronny]

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1. Good. I didn't see any problems with it but sometimes others will notice something that may come up when you change stuff like that. If Copper is in the Camarilla she can still use the saying. Since I'm sure that, knowing the Gangrel the ones who belong to a sect still might change their minds. Though that would make for one interesting Gather if there are former members of different sects present together.

2. Once again good. I probably doesn't seem necessary to you, but it makes it easier on me for some plot ideas I had. Of course those plot ideas may never happen depending on what the characters decide to do. I just like to have plenty of options handy.

3. Yeah the Week of Nightmares was when Ravanna woke-up, which essentially made the Ravnos more of a bloodline than a full clan. Technically it's part of the whole Gehenna bit, which I didn't really like either. Though the myth of it possibly coming is still useful.


Yes Gehenna is essentially the vampire apocalypse, ragnarok, what have you. Now what happened during it is hard to say because White Wolf actually made multiple scenarios, plus the possibility of whatever the story teller did.

The most common thing in each scenario though is that the Sabbat were right and the antediluvians did rise to destroy their wayward childer. Well most of them rose at least: Veddhartha (ventrue) is actually dead already, Ravanna (ravnos) died during the week of nightmares, Ennoia (gangrel) super melded with the earths core becoming something completely different, Lasombra became an abyssal entity and ate the stupidest signature character Lucita (No he wasn't diablerized after all nor was the next one), Tzimisce turned himself into a giant living cathedral under New York City and devoured his entire clan, Augustus Giovanni went down like a big pussy, Malkav uploaded himself to his entire clan as the Malkavian madness network, Saulot (Salubri) took over Tremere's body Tremere took over Goratrixe's body and they fought, don't actually know about the others. Basically though it was ridiculous and bad all at the same time. I also now realize that I am an incredible geek because I actually learned all this.

That honestly sounds more like something a Brujah would do shortly before he was killed mysteriously as he tried to leave town. The rest of the Gangrel clan (no matter which sect) in the area, would probably decide that Claire was a failed embracee and wasn't meant to survive in the first place. therefore leaving her to her fate, I mean why share food with someone who would be that stupid.

 

[Shrike7]

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Anyone is free to leave town and try to run on their own, but you run the risk of falling into Sabbat territory, or even worse, some other kind of supernatural. Vampires are pretty much the least scary of the different creatures out there, until you get into elder-level sickness.

There was a bit more that happened in Gehenna there. Tzimisce didn't just devour his own clan, but everyone who had gained Viscissitude, and anyone who had had it used on them to a certain degree. He was also there for the struggle between Saulot and Tremere. The tremere made themselves Kindred using Vitae from an old clan Tzimisce, so when he made his power bid, he also inserted himself inside Tremere's body, making it a three-way. Tremere trapped Goratrix's soul in a mirror and took his body, going on to destroy all of the antitribu while posing as the traitor. Saulot eventually bested Tzimisce for Tremere's body, but I don't remember what came of that.

Feel beeter Ronny? XD

 

[dmronny]

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Yeah I do actually, it's nice knowing I'm not the only geek who remembers stuff like this off the top of their head. Like I said though it was weird and bad crazy all at the same time. Hence why I didn't really like it, get rid of Gehenna actually happening and still kill off Lucita and I have no problems with anything they did.

Yeah running off into the Canadian wilderness as a kindred would probably lead to a quick, painful death. Most likely at the hands of a Garou, which are very prevalent in Canada, especially the Wendigo tribe. Even if it wasn't a Garou, theres still worse things out there. The cities in the area aren't much better as you have roughly an equal chance of hitting Sabbat or Camarilla territory. You could always go Anarch, but then if you leave their tiny little territory, you become game for a fwooshing by Vinny. So basically you get to have a fun time just trying to survive, no matter what you do.

 

[Sinfulwolf]

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I wasn't actually going to do it... I was just seeing what options are on the table and trying to understand the politics of the whole situation, mostly is Claire a member of the Camarilla or no.

 

[dmronny]

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Well your clan doesn't necessarily determine your sect, the majority of the Gangrel are independent but they can still choose to belong to one of the sects depending on the individual. She could decide to stay Camarilla seeing as how that's where the others are now, Anarch is actually quite doable despite what I said earlier (In my opinion Claire would fit in fine with them), she could even go Sabbat which would be rather strange but possible. Going independent probably wouldn't work unless she was a lot more powerful, but it is possible.

Right now to put it simply though, yes she is Camarilla.

 

[Shrike7]

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Oh yeah, you're still cam, whether or not your clan is part of the Camarilla. According to their own laws, everyone is a member of the camarilla by default. If your clan isn't a member, it just means that you have no Primogen on the council.

 

[dmronny]

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Hence the tradition about not killing other kindred without permission from the Prince.