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I wonder how many people saw the words paedophile book and immediately jumped on the band wagon without stopping to consider what the book actually contains. Not that I know. It may be the evil thing they all claim, but how many of them have actually read any meaningful amount of it? I read the blurb, and it does indeed sound dubious, but the majority have merely jumped at the title.
I'd love to get a chance to read some of it and see if it's as wrong as supposed. The whole modern paedo witch hunt is something that bugs me. Society forgets that it's the abuse that is the crime, not the state of attraction. That goes into the level of trying to persecute for thought crimes. It's the same as condemning all men as rapists for being attracted to women.
The concept of a moral law abiding paedophile is something that simply doesn't occur to most people, but then you never hear about them. They keep quiet about it and have to live with it, knowing that pursuing their preferences is an obvious impossibility. The rest of them, we hear about all the time.
I wonder how many people saw the words paedophile book and immediately jumped on the band wagon without stopping to consider what the book actually contains. Not that I know. It may be the evil thing they all claim, but how many of them have actually read any meaningful amount of it? I read the blurb, and it does indeed sound dubious, but the majority have merely jumped at the title.
I'd love to get a chance to read some of it and see if it's as wrong as supposed. The whole modern paedo witch hunt is something that bugs me. Society forgets that it's the abuse that is the crime, not the state of attraction. That goes into the level of trying to persecute for thought crimes. It's the same as condemning all men as rapists for being attracted to women.
The concept of a moral law abiding paedophile is something that simply doesn't occur to most people, but then you never hear about them. They keep quiet about it and have to live with it, knowing that pursuing their preferences is an obvious impossibility. The rest of them, we hear about all the time.
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I thought it was satire at first, then I read the interview they had with the author and he says it a way to get close to children and have them trust you so you can show them physical love without penetration, because "that's not harmful or hurtful to a child" the book makes pedophiles go from observers to child molestors.
I'm glad they took it down.
I thought it was satire at first, then I read the interview they had with the author and he says it a way to get close to children and have them trust you so you can show them physical love without penetration, because "that's not harmful or hurtful to a child" the book makes pedophiles go from observers to child molestors.
I'm glad they took it down.
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Anywho, why in gods name did Amazon even think that was an acceptable product to sell?
Haha, fucking wat.
>:-| I've actually steadily been going off loli for quite some time now. Dunno why, though it has to be really good for me to actually want to download/save it now.
Anywho, why in gods name did Amazon even think that was an acceptable product to sell?
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Okay, I'ma say some stuff, but before I do let me say this: I understand that the book is a bad idea, and that most people have no interest in, if not an aversion to, the topic chosen. I understand this is somewhere between in poor taste and the worst idea ever. That being said:
Everyone has the right to say or publish whatever they wish. This is the first amendment. Stores are allowed to carry whatever product they want. This is capitalism. This man had some stuff he wanted to say about pedophilia, and amazon takes no losses on a digital storefront if they don't have to store or ship the product. There is no reason, outside of public outcry, for this not to be on shelves.
Let it.
The book will fail on it's own. There are few enough people interested in such things, let alone willing to admit such, that it would probably do terribly. Cover it's spectacular failure on it's own, mark it as a moral victory. This is a non-issue masquerading as news, something that most of us would likely have never heard about if it hadn't been brought to our attention.
The right to free speech never creates an obligation to listen. If you don't like it, ignore it. If enough people agree with you, it dies. Crying out against it is the fastest, easiest way to generate press, and there's no such thing as bad publicity. How many more people know about this than would have, how many will pick it up and read it simply because it's controversial? More than would have otherwise, I think.
Okay, I'ma say some stuff, but before I do let me say this: I understand that the book is a bad idea, and that most people have no interest in, if not an aversion to, the topic chosen. I understand this is somewhere between in poor taste and the worst idea ever. That being said:
Everyone has the right to say or publish whatever they wish. This is the first amendment. Stores are allowed to carry whatever product they want. This is capitalism. This man had some stuff he wanted to say about pedophilia, and amazon takes no losses on a digital storefront if they don't have to store or ship the product. There is no reason, outside of public outcry, for this not to be on shelves.
Let it.
The book will fail on it's own. There are few enough people interested in such things, let alone willing to admit such, that it would probably do terribly. Cover it's spectacular failure on it's own, mark it as a moral victory. This is a non-issue masquerading as news, something that most of us would likely have never heard about if it hadn't been brought to our attention.
The right to free speech never creates an obligation to listen. If you don't like it, ignore it. If enough people agree with you, it dies. Crying out against it is the fastest, easiest way to generate press, and there's no such thing as bad publicity. How many more people know about this than would have, how many will pick it up and read it simply because it's controversial? More than would have otherwise, I think.
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And I'd like to introduce our first member for the day, he's name is Oni and he's been clean and living straight for 7 months now.
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It's not just Controversial Newbie. It's showing people how to break the law and molest people like my 8 year old cousin and not get caught.
It's not just Controversial Newbie. It's showing people how to break the law and molest people like my 8 year old cousin and not get caught.
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Suffice it to say that I feel the media attention surrounding this has given it more exposure than it is due and may make it wider spread in the long run, and as such is a bad thing.
There is almost no way for me to defend my point without defending pedophiles, which is not something I will do.
Suffice it to say that I feel the media attention surrounding this has given it more exposure than it is due and may make it wider spread in the long run, and as such is a bad thing.
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I agree with you on the media attention. x.x
I agree with you on the media attention. x.x
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Whether "healthy" or not, the things it advocates for and guides people to are still federal crimes.
Whether "healthy" or not, the things it advocates for and guides people to are still federal crimes.
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Any particular nations laws are secondary concern for me in these kinds of discussions. It's the actually morality of the matter I'm interested in.
Though I'll point out that the book has done anything other than fail. It has sold 150,000 digital kindle copies already. For a product with zero production costs beyond the time spent to write it and fees from Amazon, that's a considerable financial success. And yes, the high profile outrage surrounding the title has made it immortal. Whether it is ever sold again or not, it will soon enough be easily obtainable on the internet. With the intentions of the author, I gather that he's more concerned with readership than sales. With Amazon having pulled it from their store, I doubt that they will spare any resources on preventing piracy of the title. And unless there is ever specific legal action to ban it, it shall remain free and un-policed from now on.
From what I can tell from the small extracts I've seen posted on the various news sites and blogs, the authors supposed good intentions aside, it does advocate underhanded secret grooming of children. "Gentler" or not, "kissing and fondling" is still plenty over the line. I would fear that the book will reassure quiet inactive paedophiles into thinking such things might be possible after all and stepping over the line themselves.
The author claims,
Any particular nations laws are secondary concern for me in these kinds of discussions. It's the actually morality of the matter I'm interested in.
Though I'll point out that the book has done anything other than fail. It has sold 150,000 digital kindle copies already. For a product with zero production costs beyond the time spent to write it and fees from Amazon, that's a considerable financial success. And yes, the high profile outrage surrounding the title has made it immortal. Whether it is ever sold again or not, it will soon enough be easily obtainable on the internet. With the intentions of the author, I gather that he's more concerned with readership than sales. With Amazon having pulled it from their store, I doubt that they will spare any resources on preventing piracy of the title. And unless there is ever specific legal action to ban it, it shall remain free and un-policed from now on.
From what I can tell from the small extracts I've seen posted on the various news sites and blogs, the authors supposed good intentions aside, it does advocate underhanded secret grooming of children. "Gentler" or not, "kissing and fondling" is still plenty over the line. I would fear that the book will reassure quiet inactive paedophiles into thinking such things might be possible after all and stepping over the line themselves.
The author claims,
I'm curious about how this issue would have gone over had he aimed the book fully at this cause, without having included/focused on advice aimed at other paedophiles.
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As Lewis Black put it once: "If the enemy hired her, they deserve to win." True, he referred to an old lady in a wheelchair, but the concept stays the same.
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The concept of pedophilia shouldn't even have come into that story really. Those security rules are in there for good reason. Someone with intent to make an attack can't be expected to be above using a child to smuggle something. I see no reason why a child should be exempt in any way. If anything the airport staff could merely do with being a bit more prepared for the instance of awkward children.
The concept of pedophilia shouldn't even have come into that story really. Those security rules are in there for good reason. Someone with intent to make an attack can't be expected to be above using a child to smuggle something. I see no reason why a child should be exempt in any way. If anything the airport staff could merely do with being a bit more prepared for the instance of awkward children.
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I agree with Squiddy a 100% there, it wouldn't have been the first time a child or a teddy bear was used after all. Though I do agree that they may want the TSA guy's prepared a little better for handling children. I mean it wouldn't take much for them to do like a doctor or dentist and stock up on stickers and lollipops. To ease the kids fears a little.
I agree with Squiddy a 100% there, it wouldn't have been the first time a child or a teddy bear was used after all. Though I do agree that they may want the TSA guy's prepared a little better for handling children. I mean it wouldn't take much for them to do like a doctor or dentist and stock up on stickers and lollipops. To ease the kids fears a little.
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I want to disagree with this, but upon consideration the rules are there for good reason. The rules are just shitty.