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[Pheonix Alugere]

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Just be glad that the ninja academy wasn't across from either a dockyard or an internet cafe. Then you would have had pirates reinforcing the muggers.

 

[Newbie]

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Internet pirates seem not nearly as much of a worry, though they tend to have numbers in their favor.

 

[Sinfulwolf]

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I think if an actual pirate saw an actual ninja, the pirate would be scared shitless. We are comparing trained assassins vs. fairly common criminals. Internet pirates especially.

 

[ToxicShock]

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Somalians would try to shoot at ninja with a rocket launcher at close range

 

[handofdoz]

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Somalians would try to shoot at ninja with a rocket launcher at close range

Somalian pirates are also cheaper than a ninja, and more expendable than a ninja. i think the other pirates would be more worried about the rocket launcher.

 

[Pheonix Alugere]

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Generally, in a straight up fight, I would vote on pirates. Ninja's are trained assassins and not warriors. If it was a war between a pirate faction and a Ninja faction, though. I'd say that allowing the ninja's to fight on their own terms would let them win.

Most of the rep ninja's had is because they used a lot of tricks or tools to make themselves seem better than they were. (Such as using claws in the palms of their hands to catch a blade while making it look like they did it with just their gloved hands).

 

[Chibichibi]

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Yes, but when do you ever see Ninjas with wenches? :'D

 

[ToxicShock]

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Yes, but when do you ever see Ninjas with wenches? :'D

The problem with that question is you started it off with "When do you ever see ninjas.." which is immediately negated.

That's just the thing, not even the wenches ever even knew they were there

 

[Wonderboy]

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That's exactly the problem I have with most ninja porn. (Hentai mind you.) If it were real ninjas they'd be quick in, quick out, and barely noticable, none of this "Uh, it feels sooooooo gooood!"

Well, at least in Taimanin Asagi they use monsters...

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[Incubus]

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Generally, in a straight up fight, I would vote on pirates. Ninja's are trained assassins and not warriors.

...uhm...

Er, yeah.

1. Seishinteki kyōyō (spiritual refinement)
2. Taijutsu (unarmed combat)
3. Kenjutsu (sword techniques)
4. Bōjutsu (stick and staff techniques)
5. Sōjutsu (spear techniques)
6. Naginatajutsu (naginata techniques)
7. Kusarigamajutsu (kusarigama techniques)
8. Shurikenjutsu (throwing weapons techniques)
9. Kayakujutsu (pyrotechnics and explosives)
10. Hensōjutsu (disguise and impersonation)
11. Shinobi-iri (stealth and entering methods)
12. Bajutsu (horsemanship)
13. Sui-ren (water training)
14. Bōryaku (tactics)
15. Chōhō (espionage)
16. Intonjutsu (escaping and concealment)
17. Tenmon (meteorology)
18. Chi-mon (geography)

So, erm, at what point are these guys not warriors?

 

[Wonderboy]

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It doesn't matter... In a proper fight, guns > swords, sorry to say. Sure a ninja would best a pirate in swordskills or martial arts. But those martial arts do diddly shit when you've got a 1.5 cm led ball stuck in your belly... Ok, blowdarts would work, but you gotta wait for the poison to take affect, and even with extreme poison that still gives the pirate thirty seconds to blow your brains out...

 

[Pheonix Alugere]

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...uhm...

Er, yeah.



So, erm, at what point are these guys not warriors?

First of all, they are assassins, not warriors. They don't train for strength and direct combat as much as indirect combat and stealth work. If you want a warrior, grab a samurai.

Also, if you think every ninja knows all of those... yeah... We won't go into your mental capabilities

That's like saying every soldier knows how to:
Use explosives
Drive a Jeep
Drive a tank
Use any type of firearm ever invented
Excel in melee combat
Pilot an aircraft
Pilot anything that floats
Parachute
Perform first aid
Lead an army


I mean, really, they specialize.

I doubt anyone in a ninja organization actually knows more than 2-3 of those at any high level of skill unless they are old enough to no longer be useful for much other than teaching or leading.

 

[Wonderboy]

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[Chibichibi]

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It doesn't matter... In a proper fight, guns > swords, sorry to say. Sure a ninja would best a pirate in swordskills or martial arts. But those martial arts do diddly shit when you've got a 1.5 cm led ball stuck in your belly... Ok, blowdarts would work, but you gotta wait for the poison to take affect, and even with extreme poison that still gives the pirate thirty seconds to blow your brains out...

Makes me want to go watch Indiana Jones again.

The problem with that question is you started it off with "When do you ever see ninjas.." which is immediately negated.

That's just the thing, not even the wenches ever even knew they were there

My point exactly. No fun AT ALL. Seriously.

 

[Sinfulwolf]

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Pirates only started using guns when guns became available. Pirates have been around as long as boats have been. Why is it that pirate immediately equals something out of that damn disney movie?

Seems that's the romantic age of the pirate.

And proper Ninja's would know most of those things Phoenix, seeing as they are pretty much equivalent with modern day special forces. Elite soldiers know their way around weapons of all sorts, vehicles of all sorts, explosives and so on and so forth so they can deal with whatever situation they may be plunged into.

 

[Pheonix Alugere]

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With the Disney pirate thing... Most people I know, when you talk about pirates, will think of pirates as having these:

• Hooks or pegs for limbs
• eye patches
• scars
• pistols
• swords
• grog

Basically, the whole skull and crossbones, Captain Blackbeard thing. Not the Disney stuff. Disney just based their movie off of the common stereotype. Essentially, the stereotype came first, Disney came second.



Also, when comparing ninja's and pirates, you either compare the stereotypical versions, or the strongest versions.

Stereotypical has ninjas being stealth operatives and pirates being unwashed sailors with pistols. In this case, a pirate wins in a straight on fight and a ninja wins in assassinations.

The strongest version has ninjas being your medieval special forces and the pirates being Somalians with automatic weaponry. In this case, the pirates win. Always. Medieval tech can't beat metal ships and automatic weaponry.

 

[Sinfulwolf]

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You'd be surprised what medieval tech can do. A sword can still split flesh and spill blood, and pirates have to go to shore at some point.

 

[Pheonix Alugere]

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Yes... a sword can kill you, but it's a matter of range. A person with an assault rifle can kill more opponents, more quickly, and from further away, than a person with a sword. The only difference is that a sword makes wounds that are harder to recover from than a gun does.

Otherwise we would be using swords instead of guns (Especially since swords are cheaper and having a standing army means the training time required for a sword is less of a detriment).

 

[Sinfulwolf]

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It is a matter of range indeed, but like I said, pirates have to come to shore, into towns and ports to resupply and sell their stolen goods. Towns and ports offer plenty of shadows from which to strike, or use a dart gun, or a bow...

And some guns cause worse wounds than swords.

However, are there actual ninja's in the modern world? That's another factor into who would win... Somalian pirates definitely beat non-existent folk.

 

[Pheonix Alugere]

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I said strongest versions. The strongest known pirates are modern day naval pirates. The strongest ninjas just aren't current ones. As for going into town, the thing is, yes, anyone will have the odds highly in their favor if they ambush their opponents. Likewise, if the pirates walked into a ninja dojo and shot everything that moved (And through the paper walls) they would win.

Once again, it boils down to:
Ninjas only win with sneak attacks thanks to ranged firearms.