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Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?


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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

I like Futa because males (body) tend to scare me.

IMHO, Futa are kind of a dream for a bisexual person.
That's fair, I wouldn't say I'm scared of them. Just not attracted at all to the male form. I suppose they are but I wouldn't count myself as Bisexual, not sure what I would though since I find Futas attractive ^.^

I guess I just like being on the receiving end of things and Futa's just look more dominating. Its a bit odd for me to describe it like this given what I said earlier but its like having a penis just enhances the already beautiful female form.
 

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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

I prefer futas, shemales, and traps (CD) in games and such for a few simple things.

1. Because it's a woman and another woman which looks generally better than a man and woman. (In my opinion....... Don't know why, it just does)

2. After watching porn for so long, I have gotten bored of seeing Male-Woman. Only time I would go back to male is if the male is fully clothed (prefer it more if his face is covered as well) or the male is not human (like a furry wolf or alien species..... something along those lines).

3. This lead to me liking Futa on Woman, Futa, Shemale, Trap; Shemale on Woman, Futa, Shemale, Trap; Trap on Woman, Futa, Shemale, Trap.
 

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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

well..some guys hates or those who likes it tries to avoid talk about it..maybe because they would think people can judges they like "gay" but that is not true...is something like TS people...
Another point is when the artist do a exaggerated size of the penis..like drawing HUGE dicks. I like it..but when is correctly and not exaggerated
 

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I honestly find it hard for me to find good futa pictures, because the vast majority of them have grotesquely over-sized dicks. It's so hard to find pics where the futa's dick is a reasonable size like this:
 

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well..some guys hates or those who likes it tries to avoid talk about it..maybe because they would think people can judges they like "gay" but that is not true...is something like TS people...
Another point is when the artist do a exaggerated size of the penis..like drawing HUGE dicks. I like it..but when is correctly and not exaggerated
I agree. I may like this stuff but doesn't make me gay. Yet when you say anything about it, you are apparently seen as such.
 

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I used to dislike futa as well. I used to only like yuri. Then I realised that yuri wasn't popular enough in hentai and such you were going to miss out.

I got into liking futa because it happened to be alongside other fetishes I had developed. While I'd prefer yuri over futa, I'd take futa over heterosexual.

But, let me explain my views.

Futa is disliked, in my eyes, because many people see it as an indicator of being a homosexual. This (at least how it's been explained to me) is because, while heterosexual porn is a man and woman having sex, that's seen as 'natural'. When it's futa (which is a make believe creation, while technically exist in real life, they'd look nothing like the vast majority of futas in hentai) it's a chick with a dick having sex with (usually) another woman. Now the detractors of futa would say this is a sign of homosexuality because the viewer of the futa hentai ('you') is not comfortable enough with their sexuality in that they can't stand a man on screen. So they swap the man out for a woman with a penis and claim that they're not gay because it's a woman with a dick instead of a man. The idea being that the viewer is so scared of having attraction towards a man, that they remove it from the equation, but deep down still crave to see penetration and a penis.

However, the problem with this argument is that I've seen it used for yuri as well. Where people have said that I'm a homosexual for liking yuri, as I can't stand to see a man so I'm over compensating. I am also in belief that the detractors who use this as an argument are usually the type of person who "self-inserts" as the man and can't do it with any other character. This is also used as a argument to claim the person who likes futa is transgender or homosexual as well, claiming that the person self-inserts as the futa in order to pretend to be a woman, but with a penis to understand how it feels to climax. This goes on.

More stuff obviously progresses from this idea, which has gotten into silly territory when I've discussed it with people.

But, I look at it like this. Men have a penis, therefore, even if they're a virgin, they know what it's like to have an orgasm. I don't think there are many men who have not masturbated in their life (and technically many do without knowing it), so it makes sense when it comes to hentai to understand the enjoyment. Men also like penetration scenes and ejaculation scenes. However, many men do not like other men. Either they don't like the male form, the male voice, the grunting or the idea of another man fucking a hot woman, cartoon or not. Therefore, a woman with a penis doing it covers all bases.

It goes even further in that the futanari can then be penetrated in either the vagina or the anus, whilst still doing stuff with her/his/it's penis.

Basically, people think that by distorting what is 'natural' then you're basically doing something or being attracted to something which isn't 'normal'. Getting turned on watching a man fuck a woman, in modern society, is considered to be 'normal'. Watching a chick with a vulva and a dick fucking another chick or another futa is considered 'not normal'. Same goes with stuff like monster, inflation, gore, vore, cervix penetration, stomach bulge etc etc.

That's it. It's not considered 'normal', so it's attacked. At the end of the day, futanari's are not real. You cannot be biologically a woman and have a big, normal sized penis which produces sperm, whilst also having a vulva and uterus and being able to get pregnant. Sex based genetic defects exist, but they don't exist in this way. Just like you can't penetrate the cervix (well you can, but good luck surviving the punches and screams) in real life but you can in hentai with no problem whatsoever.

Oh and fear of porn escalation, that's another reason.

But, if people want a guide on "What's Gay?" then I do this.

[The following is a joke, but if you want to take it as a stance to have, go for it!]

1. If it has fewer dicks than heterosexual, it's not gay (yuri)
2. If it has the same number of dicks as heterosexual, it is not gay, or is at least as gay as heterosexual porn (futa, hetero, monster, beast, etc)
3. If it has more dicks than heterosexual scenes, it is gayer. However, there are levels to this. If it's double penetration with two men on a woman, it's not as gay. If it's double penetration with two futas on a woman, it's slightly less gay than if it was two men. If it's two men/two futas double penetrating a futa/man, then it's gay.

So, basically, count the dicks and check to see what the scene focuses on. If it's a bukkake scene or an orgy, then it's fine if it focuses on the women and the dicks aren't shown a lot. But if the focus is on the dick, then it's gay.
 

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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

Wow... That is a very detailed and well-thought-out analysis. For me I think it's just as simple as I used to like it, discovered /d/, they made me utterly sick of it.
 

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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

The only futa i can't stand is hyper/hueg. When a dick looks like a heavy mace or a log coming out from their crotch it ruins it for me.
 

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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

Yeah, good points above - I tend to agree with the assesment that it's generally easier for men to "empathize"/comprehend the pleasure felt by someone with a dick than, for example, two girls.

As for why many people don't like it, I think it can stem from a multitude of reasons (some people probably find it vastly overdone), but I definitely think the whole fear of non-heteronormalcy plays a strong role. I've had discussions with people who kept starting new threads on why futa was just for closet homosexuals - which is about as reasonable as saying that BDSM is just for closet rapists or somesuch nonsense.
 

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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

While I don't want to reiterate my earlier statements, from what I've seen though the people that are worried about any possible homosexual angle never strike me as the type that would get into hentai anyway.

Though I suppose if we wanted to test this hypothesis, we could always find attitudes about futa over time and see if it maps towards the other contemporary trends, heh.
 

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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

That is a very good argument, Dave :)
The other day i was looking for a definition of Futanari to tell someone the difference between Futa and Trap and one of the definitions i got was Futa is " Used by people who can't draw/write yuri "
In my case i never liked, going to use the western term, lesbian porn.
When most of the people say they like it because " don't want to see a dude on my screen, it's my fantasy ", for me the reason i don't like is because it is missing a dude :D
When i started seeing hentai i didn't like futa porn " chick with a penis ? eww ", but little by little i started to enjoy it and i find it as a alternative to lesbian porn.
 

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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

Definitions vary and are a bit conflicted. I believe futanari is from a Japanese and means something like "both forms", and originally referred to characters with both male and female genitalia, with or without testicles, but usually breasts and a feminine appearance.

Nowadays, a lot of futanari artists don't include the female genitalia, which has it commonly conflated with the concept of "dickgirl".

A "trap" is usually a very facially feminine person that nonetheless lacks pronounced breasts and has male genitalia. The body is often represented as more nubile than fully developed, sometimes showing a penis and testes that seem very small, possibly pre-pubescent even, but still a hip-to-waist ratio that is feminine rather than masculine.

It should be noted that these terms probably shouldn't be applied to real-life people, since stuff starts getting really complex with regards to gender identity and genetic/anatomical sex - so my comments are purely with regards to art and kink.
 

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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

Traps are niiiiice~.
 

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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

Nowadays, a lot of futanari artists don't include the female genitalia, which has it commonly conflated with the concept of "dickgirl".
Always makes me feel like the artist in question is too lazy to draw female genitalia or they've been misinformed by the apparently large number of people who are idiots.

As for the debate on what futa is, for a long time the rule was that if you didn't explicitly see the absence of a vagina you were to assume that there was one and it was a futanari. Which is to back up my statement that a futa MUST HAVE BOTH a penis and a vagina, penis with no vagina = male.

Quibble all you like, you're jerking off to a dude if you can see there's no vagina.
 
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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

I honestly prefer without the vagina, partly because it sticks out in a weird way, makes the whole thing look mutilated, but that's just a personal preference.

Quibble all you like, you're jerking off to a dude if you can see there's no vagina.
I tend to disagree, partly because a) There are such phenomena as transgenderism in which case a person who is biologically male is not socially defined as a man, and b) And ultimately, it's imaginary - much like jerking off to a woman fucking with a sentient dragon or whatever isn't necessarily beastiality as exists in the real world.

That being said, I don't really have a problem jerking off to IRL tranny porn provided the transgender person is feminine enough and its not on male, so make of that whatever one wants. :p
 

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I personally don't like "full package futa" (which is with testicles iirc) or without a vulva.

Gotta have the vulva for me. I personally like the idea of somebody being able to enjoy two types of pleasure. I also like it to have a plot reason for the futa, a bit like Bible Black and it being magic. Turning the clitoris into a penis makes sense as both have erectile tissue, so it's a bit more grounded in reality.

I also agree with statements about huge and or musclely/veiny penises. It's off putting.

Would I prefer yuri? Yeah. But given a choice between a dude and a chick and a chick with a dick and a chick. I go with the later. Maybe it has something to do with the voice acting.

But this only applies for hentai. Traps (Or Ambushes as I call ones that can't pull it off) I don't like or find the appeal. I don't like lots of things, but others do. Which is fine, fetishes are a thing and I get it's subjective. It only becomes a problem when people force it into everything, just because they can.

For example, people posting furry porn of video game characters when the topic is about the game, not porn. /v/ on 4chan suffers from this a lot. It didn't help the Furry War of '05 still lives on inside me.

But, whatever.

The other reason I like futa (to get back on topic) is because lots of my other fetishes don't get covered in yuri. For example, mother x daughter, or sister x sister, fetish rarely gets covered in hentai. There is more futa of these than yuri. So, gotta take the rough with the smooth. Which is a reason why I came to enjoy it, when before I despised it. Guess that Porn Escalation is a thing!

I don't watch hentai much at all, rarely fap to it, regardless of the media. It takes something special to do that. I would post my favourite futa doujin, but can't due to restrictions.

But, search for [Sasayuki] Twins and Twins if you're interested. Exhentai and nhentai have English version.
 
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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

I tend to disagree, partly because a) There are such phenomena as transgenderism in which case a person who is biologically male is not socially defined as a man, and b) And ultimately, it's imaginary - much like jerking off to a woman fucking with a sentient dragon or whatever isn't necessarily beastiality as exists in the real world.
As far as I've seen, If it isn't an anthro dragon then it's tagged as beast.

As for that other... thing. I'll state upfront that I don't have anything against trans/whatever (I treat everyone as people, untill they prove they don't even deserve that), and I imagine it must be very hard feeling as if you have been betrayed by your own body, but I refuse to call something what it is not, or be subjected to someone's skewed view of reality. Sex is defined by the organs you are born with, that's the way our species evolved, so just as Iron and Uranium are not interchangeable neither are Male and Female. Not to mention the crudeness of body modification through surgery and hormone therapy is like duct-taping a spoiler on a station wagon and calling it a sports-car. As such, untill they can grow new bodies with a different sex and implant a brain I won't be changing my stance on this.

Comparing art to reality really doesn't get us anywhere in this case anyway. Being that art or fantasy by nature is very subjective whereas definitions (even of a subjective topic) are objective, and what we're talking about is the definition of futa. Thanks for giving me the opportunity to segway into a (mildly pointless I now realize) rant though.

I think you're trying to nitpick at me saying "dude", instead of "born physically male" or something, which is kind of moot as described above ^, because male and female are concrete definitions no matter what wishy-washy "socially defined role" bullshit SJWs try to pull.
 
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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

As for that other... thing. I'll state upfront that I don't have anything against trans/whatever, and I imagine it must be very hard feeling as if you have been betrayed by your own body, but I refuse to call something what it is not. Sex is defined by the organs you are born with, that's the way our species evolved.

Not to mention the crudeness of body modification through surgery and hormone therapy is like duct-taping a spoiler on a station wagon and calling it a sports-car. As such, untill they can grow new bodies with a different sex and implant a brain I won't be changing my stance on this.
Okay, dude, I don't feel betrayed by anything because I'm perfectly relaxed with it. If I were to one day want to bang a hairy beast of a man, then shit, fair enough. :p

However, you seem to be conflating "sex" with "gender", which is a very common mistake, but nonetheless erroneous. Being a "man" or a "woman" is about much more than what's swinging between your legs, which I'm sure any number of historical eunuchs could tell you.
 

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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

Sorry, had to post an incomplete thought b/c my battery was dying. I'm quite scatterbrained when if comes to typing up my thoughts, that's why it's quite different from what Craw quoted.

You're probably right about me confusing sex and gender, I've never really cared to treat most people differently based on appearance (you're all just amorphous "things", untill you're a big titty lady :D ). In which case, I care far less about that whole issue than I thought.

But to re-cap, futa = both sex organs, boobs + cock = not futa. Futa is a definition of SEX not gender.
 
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Re: Question and Discussion: Futa, why do some people seem almost afraid of it?

But to re-cap, futa = both sex organs, boobs + cock = not futa. Futa is a definition of SEX not gender.
Fair enough. :)

You know, fun fact, back in the day, among the Vikings, it wasn't really so much what gender the person you had sex with that mattered* (they had no words for straight or gay), but whether you were the one who penetrated or were penetrated. It's interesting how our perceptions of sexuality change over centuries and changing social contexts. :p

(* I mean, it mattered for purposes of marriage and establishing lineages by getting children, but not so much in terms of sexual morality)
 
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