Re: (Nutaku) PeroPero Seduction
EP isn't the issue.. that's actually working. It's kill count.
(Nutaku) PeroPero Seduction
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Re: (Nutaku) PeroPero Seduction
Except he's not talking about EP, he's talking about the super elite guard count which only increases for the person who spawns it and the person who lands the finishing blow and no one else, so most people have no reason at all to help out.
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Re: (Nutaku) PeroPero Seduction
We've made three major changes to help people achieve their goals:
- Dark Airu is now capped at 40
- Her chance of appearing is substantially increased
- Required victories are down to 150
That's a hell of a lot more achievable than when the event began.
Support EP is still a reason to contribute. If you don't think that's enough incentive, we can talk about that.
We've made three major changes to help people achieve their goals:
- Dark Airu is now capped at 40
- Her chance of appearing is substantially increased
- Required victories are down to 150
That's a hell of a lot more achievable than when the event began.
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If people are aiming for EP they're more likely to do it with normal bosses since there's a much better chance of a normal boss dying than an Airu. Airu usually won't die unless you have friends with slayer cards/pudding or you spawn a lower level Airu.
It certainly is a lot more achievable for the top % of players.
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When you have an extremely limited resource like focus, people are going to be super judicious about where to use it. Because support doesn't award elimination credit, when they see a Dark Airu someone asks for support on they are either A) only going to hit it once with a weak attack for the potential reward, B) only attack if they think they'll be the one to get the last hit in, or C) not help at all if they don't think it has a chance of going down.
No, EP is not a big enough incentive on its own, as you can get it more reliably from regular bosses, most active participants already have received all of the EP rewards available and are set in their ranking bracket, with only a small handful jockeying for positions at the edge of the brackets.
For the vast majority of players, Lv 40 Dark Airu.. heck, lv 15 may as well be lv 500.
When you have an extremely limited resource like focus, people are going to be super judicious about where to use it. Because support doesn't award elimination credit, when they see a Dark Airu someone asks for support on they are either A) only going to hit it once with a weak attack for the potential reward, B) only attack if they think they'll be the one to get the last hit in, or C) not help at all if they don't think it has a chance of going down.
No, EP is not a big enough incentive on its own, as you can get it more reliably from regular bosses, most active participants already have received all of the EP rewards available and are set in their ranking bracket, with only a small handful jockeying for positions at the edge of the brackets.
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See, PPS as a whole and SS in particular is a well-thought mechanism proven working by years. Now you try to remove some cogs in it and shuffle others; and I am not sure you completely understand how all these parts should work in motion or how easy it is to break them by messing up simplest of variables, not to mention the big ones.
Lightning bosses is the biggest non-ranking challenge in PPS. They are made in a such a way that it takes a lot of effort to clear the list of prizes - even with a whole lot of high-SED friends, many of whom go for EP rank. At DMM, I nearly constantly 1-tagged them, people were spawning and clearing them like crazy, and it still were a close call each time.
What you did here breaks the whole idea of cooperation that SS is based upon. Yes, Lightning part is nigh-unclearable for us anyway at this point anyway unless everyone and their mother start to buy Puddings in hundreds. But not making support count as clearing it is making already daunting task simply impossible, be it 150 or 300, with lvl limit or not.
And on top of that I am reasonably sure you removed Lightning boss spawn % bonus from EP milestones gained prior to second part. They are not mentioned in EP list and simply by feel I can tell that chance of spawning is quite low. c/d?
It's not.
See, PPS as a whole and SS in particular is a well-thought mechanism proven working by years. Now you try to remove some cogs in it and shuffle others; and I am not sure you completely understand how all these parts should work in motion or how easy it is to break them by messing up simplest of variables, not to mention the big ones.
Lightning bosses is the biggest non-ranking challenge in PPS. They are made in a such a way that it takes a lot of effort to clear the list of prizes - even with a whole lot of high-SED friends, many of whom go for EP rank. At DMM, I nearly constantly 1-tagged them, people were spawning and clearing them like crazy, and it still were a close call each time.
What you did here breaks the whole idea of cooperation that SS is based upon. Yes, Lightning part is nigh-unclearable for us anyway at this point anyway unless everyone and their mother start to buy Puddings in hundreds. But not making support count as clearing it is making already daunting task simply impossible, be it 150 or 300, with lvl limit or not.
And on top of that I am reasonably sure you removed Lightning boss spawn % bonus from EP milestones gained prior to second part. They are not mentioned in EP list and simply by feel I can tell that chance of spawning is quite low. c/d?
Re: (Nutaku) PeroPero Seduction
Maybe if it were still 300, but I'm pretty sure about 10 people have reached closed to 150 already.Thats cool for all those 10 people that will get it
Re: (Nutaku) PeroPero Seduction
Swindler - 302
Mystica - 208
Narisa - 124
Kikajima - 102
kylkaeri - 91
Tarvo - 79
TyteK - 76
Hiro - 70
Zeithurlais - 62
Elphelt - 59
ChngChaBng - 56
ARM - 54
Cosmos15 - 53
these are the only ones over 50
I also have to say that I'm not personally seeing any evidence of increased Dark Airu spawn rate.
They had to compensate the people who were already gunning hard for 300. Still, this affects like 5 people.
the additional rewards are for 200 and 300
Swindler - 302
Mystica - 208
Narisa - 124
Kikajima - 102
kylkaeri - 91
Tarvo - 79
TyteK - 76
Hiro - 70
Zeithurlais - 62
Elphelt - 59
ChngChaBng - 56
ARM - 54
Cosmos15 - 53
these are the only ones over 50
I also have to say that I'm not personally seeing any evidence of increased Dark Airu spawn rate.
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Of the slayer cards only Akie and the N card were in gacha, the rest were event gacha only.
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Lv 429 Tomoko
Lv 504 Tomoko
Lv 422 Tomoko
Lv 443 Tomoko
Lv 477 Tomoko
Lv 466 Tomoko
I've only seen 4 Dark Airu's out of my entire friend list (and I have either the 4th or 5th largest friend list in the game)
Heh.. these have been my spawns this morning:
Lv 429 Tomoko
Lv 504 Tomoko
Lv 422 Tomoko
Lv 443 Tomoko
Lv 477 Tomoko
Lv 466 Tomoko
I've only seen 4 Dark Airu's out of my entire friend list (and I have either the 4th or 5th largest friend list in the game)
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EDIT: But at the very least, the spawn rate does seem to be increased and the chance of getting a lower level seems to have been increased too. Gonna spend my Pero on Elixirs and try to see if my friendslist (and my Pero) stays interested long enough for me to get the card.
I've gotten 3 so far this afternoon. Also I appreciate the sentiment behind lowering the kill count but support kill credit being how it is 150 is still not achievable by the vast majority of players. Again, appreciate the sentiment though.
EDIT: But at the very least, the spawn rate does seem to be increased and the chance of getting a lower level seems to have been increased too. Gonna spend my Pero on Elixirs and try to see if my friendslist (and my Pero) stays interested long enough for me to get the card.
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I've actually been spawning quite a few, but they're private targets for people who don't want to be ksed at the moment.
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Angry personal experience rant forthcoming:
I've put a LOT of effort into this event (and the game itself.. me being the 4th highest level player that I can see attests to that), including foregoing sleep a couple of nights. I spent more than I intended to moneywise on the event gacha in the first half and because of rotten luck, only came away with the N slayer card.
Still, I persevered and ended the first half around 170th in the rankings. Then the slayer cards were changed. I've since fallen into the mid 300s despite no reduced effort. I have 6 Dark Airu kills. Not 60, not 16, SIX. The difference? Of the 13 people I listed above with over 50 recorded kills, only 1 is on my friend list.
On top of it all, my earlier efforts only work against me, since now of the normal bosses, I only spawn lv 400+ ones, which take forever to kill, thus decreasing the opportunities to spawn a Dark Airu, which even if I did, since I only have 1 of the top 0.05% on my list, I have a low chance of killing anyway (and indeed, my record for Dark Airu's I've personally spawned is 4 for 8). yes, I could buy elixirs to drive away the normal ones, but when chances are I can't have my Airu's killed, what would be the point?
I can't imagine my experience nor frustration is unique.
..and Tarvo killed all 3 before I even SAW any of them
..and that in a nutshell is why lack of support credit completely destroys this event.
Angry personal experience rant forthcoming:
I've put a LOT of effort into this event (and the game itself.. me being the 4th highest level player that I can see attests to that), including foregoing sleep a couple of nights. I spent more than I intended to moneywise on the event gacha in the first half and because of rotten luck, only came away with the N slayer card.
Still, I persevered and ended the first half around 170th in the rankings. Then the slayer cards were changed. I've since fallen into the mid 300s despite no reduced effort. I have 6 Dark Airu kills. Not 60, not 16, SIX. The difference? Of the 13 people I listed above with over 50 recorded kills, only 1 is on my friend list.
On top of it all, my earlier efforts only work against me, since now of the normal bosses, I only spawn lv 400+ ones, which take forever to kill, thus decreasing the opportunities to spawn a Dark Airu, which even if I did, since I only have 1 of the top 0.05% on my list, I have a low chance of killing anyway (and indeed, my record for Dark Airu's I've personally spawned is 4 for 8). yes, I could buy elixirs to drive away the normal ones, but when chances are I can't have my Airu's killed, what would be the point?
I can't imagine my experience nor frustration is unique.
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Re: (Nutaku) PeroPero Seduction
At least you're not spawning up to level 700 bosses yet. When those spawn I elixir them because there's a good chance no one will kill them.
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10 Tomokos, 0 Airus today, but hey, one of the Tomokos was only Lv 281, so that's something.
..make that 11
...12
..ah, THERE's the combo breaker Airu so, 1/13. Maybe I'm an aberration but that doesn't feel like much of a spawn increase, lol.
..and now to see how many Tomokos I get after that Airu.. on 5 now, bringing me to 1/18 on the day
10 Tomokos, 0 Airus today, but hey, one of the Tomokos was only Lv 281, so that's something.
..make that 11
...12
..ah, THERE's the combo breaker Airu so, 1/13. Maybe I'm an aberration but that doesn't feel like much of a spawn increase, lol.
..and now to see how many Tomokos I get after that Airu.. on 5 now, bringing me to 1/18 on the day
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