Making an H game without the H part

[barreytor]

First of all, please forgive me if this isn't the correct place to post a pretty generic question, but I felt this section was the most fitting of them all.
I was wondering about making an H game, but since I'm not that sure about methods of distribution that are safe for H games (and are not DLSite), I thought the idea of having the game be a completely regular game with no H content and sell that; then have the H content as a completely free addon that can just be added on top of the game.
I have a slight idea of how that would work, but it sounds like a way to make and sell a game. What do you think?

 

[Mud]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

If you have no idea how to distribute an H-game, then how are you going to distribute the H-addon?

 

[igotnostuffs]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

I have an idea how to distribute the game without the H-content but then it would have to be free and then make the H-content as a DLC with a price.

Vice-versa though, I say Steam.

 

[freeko]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

I have actually been looking into the same idea of making a game and then also having an ero version of the game as a paid unlockable part of the game. So color me interested if you happen to be able to find a solution that allows for being able to do exactly that.

 

[ToxicShock]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

Be tough to do, I'd assume. All the enemies would probably have to have non-h grapple attacks which would all need to be sorta written over with the addon. Even then, it'd still pretty much be Ryona. (Unless you made a male character and rewrite all the sprites over for a female, or something) I guess it'd be like blank blood with it's h-mod? You can check on that, but I think it can be a little tough to get your hands on.

 

[barreytor]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

Be tough to do, I'd assume. All the enemies would probably have to have non-h grapple attacks which would all need to be sorta written over with the addon. Even then, it'd still pretty much be Ryona. (Unless you made a male character and rewrite all the sprites over for a female, or something) I guess it'd be like blank blood with it's h-mod? You can check on that, but I think it can be a little tough to get your hands on.

I think it would be more time consuming than actually difficult, but yeah, I believe that the end result would probably be something along those lines.
Since I feel my first post wasn't completely understood by some people, I'll reiterate: my idea is having a paid non-H game with a free h-content mod.
Yes, it would probably be mostly sprite/picture replacing (heck, I even wrote a script that replaces picture files on the fly from an RPGVXAce game); and anything more complex than that (like adding extra H-only content) would jump up the difficulty a bit.

With a little imagination it could be used for more stuff than ryona games I guess, but that kind would be the kind that'd let itself into this mode the easiest.
EDIT: (And after doing a second google search I don't know what that term means anymore. Well, I guess the point is still valid, right?)

 

[azurezero]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

i presume having the H on game allready is out (unlock file stuff)
since for more mainstream selling places they check for that stuff

 

[azurezero]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

i presume having the H on game allready is out (unlock file stuff)
since for more mainstream selling places they check for that stuff

and alternative would be replacing sound files and sprites with other stuff if the graphics were present in the game folder
in game maker it would be these two... and as long as you had grapples in you could do it
sprite_replace(ind, fname, imgnumb, removeback, smooth, xorig, yorig);
sound_replace(index, fname, kind, preload);

 

[Rin-Kin]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

I thought the idea of having the game be a completely regular game with no H content and sell that; then have the H content as a completely free addon that can just be added on top of the game.

You reading my mind.
But sadly, i'd have to remind about famous "hot coffe" mod for GTA:SA.
They realy attempted to make it the way you mentioned.
So i guess, unless you can PROOVE you have nothing to do with hentai mod development, the main game WILL be counted as a hentai game in legal terms afterall.

 

[azurezero]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

You reading my mind.
But sadly, i'd have to remind about famous "hot coffe" mod for GTA:SA.
They realy attempted to make it the way you mentioned.
So i guess, unless you can PROOVE you have nothing to do with hentai mod development, the main game WILL be counted as a hentai game in legal terms afterall.

my mother suggested i just make two versions of the game im working on atm with hentai and all ages...but i feel like the existance of the H version would taint the all ages version regardless of my intentions... i feel like if i make an all ages game i need to make a new online persona to release it

 

[OnyxShadow]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

In my experience, the result of a vanilla game getting hentai treatment seldom works and suffers from awkward execution.

For better or worse, H-games generally have a lower standard of gameplay quality, and that is largely due to the H-content requiring so much development time/effort that generally does not improve actual gameplay. In most cases, when a game adds H-content to an existing product it feels awkward and tacked on. When a game that is intended to be an H-game has a non-sex version it usually just seems like a worse than average vanilla game.

I really wish this sort of thing worked out better, but it rarely does. If you decide to pursue this project I wish you the best of luck, though. However, I'd suggest going with a pure hentai project OR a generic game instead of a hybrid.

 

[barreytor]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

You reading my mind.
But sadly, i'd have to remind about famous "hot coffe" mod for GTA:SA.
They realy attempted to make it the way you mentioned.
So i guess, unless you can PROOVE you have nothing to do with hentai mod development, the main game WILL be counted as a hentai game in legal terms afterall.

I don't really understand the point. Are you saying that if I make an H mod for a game the game will be considered an H-game even though the H-part wouldn't be included with the game itself?

In my experience, the result of a vanilla game getting hentai treatment seldom works and suffers from awkward execution.

For better or worse, H-games generally have a lower standard of gameplay quality, and that is largely due to the H-content requiring so much development time/effort that generally does not improve actual gameplay. In most cases, when a game adds H-content to an existing product it feels awkward and tacked on. When a game that is intended to be an H-game has a non-sex version it usually just seems like a worse than average vanilla game.

I really wish this sort of thing worked out better, but it rarely does. If you decide to pursue this project I wish you the best of luck, though. However, I'd suggest going with a pure hentai project OR a generic game instead of a hybrid.

Being honest here, you're right. I guess I would lean more towards making a pure hentai project, but the whole "having the h stuff separately" would be mostly so I could have a non-sex version that could be placed in a market that's not specific for H-games.
Like, for example, making an h-game then stripping the porn out of it. I'm more than sure that it wouldn't be as fun or good as a game of similar characteristics but without any effort used to add sex would be, but I'm not really sure I would be able to do it good enough if I don't add the sex.

The idea of this is less "making a game that can be played by everyone" and more "making a game that I can put for sale on some regular shop".
Probably Desura. Or at the very least I guess I would sleep a little slight bit more peacefully with regular sales through regular payment processors like most of the developers here seem to have set up.
*sigh* I don't even have anything started anyway. And knowing me, it should be really short and simple or I won't finish it.
How's 4 enemies + 1 boss, sprite sex sounds?

 

[KHTA]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

I don't really understand the point. Are you saying that if I make an H mod for a game the game will be considered an H-game even though the H-part wouldn't be included with the game itself?



Being honest here, you're right. I guess I would lean more towards making a pure hentai project, but the whole "having the h stuff separately" would be mostly so I could have a non-sex version that could be placed in a market that's not specific for H-games.
Like, for example, making an h-game then stripping the porn out of it. I'm more than sure that it wouldn't be as fun or good as a game of similar characteristics but without any effort used to add sex would be, but I'm not really sure I would be able to do it good enough if I don't add the sex.

The idea of this is less "making a game that can be played by everyone" and more "making a game that I can put for sale on some regular shop".
Probably Desura. Or at the very least I guess I would sleep a little slight bit more peacefully with regular sales through regular payment processors like most of the developers here seem to have set up.
*sigh* I don't even have anything started anyway. And knowing me, it should be really short and simple or I won't finish it.
How's 4 enemies + 1 boss, sprite sex sounds?

If you're going with this idea, then you're going to have to look at the game through a gamer's point of view. Focus solely on the gaming aspect and make the H-add on a nice bonus. The game needs to be fun and worthwhile to those playing without the H.

Also what Rin-kun was saying sounds about right. If you have a game free of H and another game with H in it, they are considered separate games. But if you have a game free of H and a add on or mod to put the H back into the game, it's an H game. If you want commercial sales as well as hentai sales, you'll have to do like BaseOn and Type-Moon with having a all-ages version and a H-version and not simply an add on.

 

[BlueLight]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

This might sound silly but why not create the sprites using mathematical formulas? Then all you have to do is create 1 formula for the nonH content and another for the H content.

Then you construct the sprites in engine and store them on the stack. Now i hear what your saying about hot coffee in response to my suggestion but what's happening is that your not having any sprite files at all. One mathematical formula you can do is taking factors of a equation and then taking the values X has to equal for the equation equal 0. So a factor would be (x-4). The real question is if you can create a formula that can not only calculate a equation based on your factor and deconstructed it with the factors in the same position.

One solution to this is by not doing one huge equation but doing array of equations and then refactor them so it's lower factors first. You'll want a default state in case the X value is below or above the allowed number values which might be something like complete alpha.

If you use just quadratic equation then you can set the sprite to a predefined value quite easily. if you have a situation where you need a decreasing value after a higher value then use a single factor or possibly use the out of bounds value as stated if you want.

You also need to do this with 4 values so you either have to store 4 equations worth or use huge numbers. For instance (x - 101102153004) could be equal to R =101 G = 102 B = 153 A =4; just split the numbers up into groups of 100. Complex yes, however it one solution.

Another thing you can do is give away the sexual based demo and then unlock it based on a .ini file.

 

[an anonymous]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

i think there are already games which fit in this category like:

rumble rose (i so want some lesbo action in this one)
saints row 2-4 (seriously, fucking everyone is the only thing missing in these games)
gta 3-5 (you can have bitches but you don't see any action)
the elder scrols 3-4 (whitout mods its boring but ating some nice nude and sex mods and it turns in to a epic game)
doa (dead or alife) 4-5 (those girls ther want to hafe funn)

ther are more games like this but no time to count them all

but dont know any jap h games without h stuf would be breati boring to play an jrpg or monolog game without sex anyway.

 

[barreytor]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

I was going to go to sleep and check tomorrow but saw this:

This might sound silly but why not create the sprites using mathematical formulas? Then all you have to do is create 1 formula for the nonH content and another for the H content.

Really? I mean, what? I'm a fan of procedurally generated content in games, but wouldn't this approach mean I would have to build a way to turn images into the functions?
I know there is a single game out there that exists and is super lightweight based on having all assets be expanded from calculations, but if there aren't lots of games compressed that way must be for a reason. (Too difficult/complex, I guess.)

Anyway, that's that.

By the way, I got a PM from someone who can't post (yet) pointing out that the GTA:SA sex thing wasn't added by the mod, but unlocked; meaning that it was already there to begin with. This would have no h-content in the no-h-content version, so technically there could be an all-ages version and a h-version of the same game where the only difference is that the h-version comes with the h-content patch included.

 

[azurezero]

Re: Making an H game without the H part

I was going to go to sleep and check tomorrow but saw this:

Really? I mean, what? I'm a fan of procedurally generated content in games, but wouldn't this approach mean I would have to build a way to turn images into the functions?
I know there is a single game out there that exists and is super lightweight based on having all assets be expanded from calculations, but if there aren't lots of games compressed that way must be for a reason. (Too difficult/complex, I guess.)

Anyway, that's that.

By the way, I got a PM from someone who can't post (yet) pointing out that the GTA:SA sex thing wasn't added by the mod, but unlocked; meaning that it was already there to begin with. This would have no h-content in the no-h-content version, so technically there could be an all-ages version and a h-version of the same game where the only difference is that the h-version comes with the h-content patch included.

it would be easier to just make 2 different versions unlock with an unlock that works on both, but have a free second unlock for the adult one to make sure people have to be looking for the adult version to get it