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90 evade is impressive, hopefully you have the defence to soften the blows which do land.

If there is a big update, it will be the true boss in the border forest since that's been scheduled for some time now.
 

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90 evade is impressive, hopefully you have the defence to soften the blows which do land.

If there is a big update, it will be the true boss in the border forest since that's been scheduled for some time now.
nope, no worry about the defense part, just paralyze/stun/blind it first then switch to agi3 weapon if blind, or atk3 weapon if para, keep at it if stun.
if enemy is mage type, switch to silence2 alternate and shut it down, if target have high resistance again silence then force silence it with 7/7 silence wand (these wands show up like one every 4 floors)...
of course this only work fighting in corridor ... *sigh* ...

edit: usually I keep 2 wand, either sleep wand or silence wand if I want to stay alive fighting monstrosity like black goat, black dog or red ram (the latter is a joke)
If I happen to run into monster room I don't stand at the entrance or make a few step back, I just make Roland retreat to the room I feel the safest close by and use one relaxation perfume (heal MP each turn and last 60 turn) then angel howling em to death (work every time, switch to atk2 clothe and atk3 burial and everything's dead, throwing in Redemption before the fight mean Ohko for everything cuz of +25 raw dam and -25% max hp/50% Hp if devil/undead)... work like a charm ! .... only in normal floors...

man, why did the game force me to endure this... big monster floor one after another...
 
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In other words, you're screwed outside of corridors and have to play chicken with the mobs. It's perfectly valid for the graveyard but almost useless in the border forest.

I'm out of practice but you must be packing in quite a few stun essences to get the debuff to trigger all the time. Last I remembered only the undead monsters had vulnerability with just about everything else being resistant.

Silence wands help, but you must be terrified of the Black Hand, Black Dog and the Ghoul to keep so many wands around.
 

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In other words, you're screwed outside of corridors and have to play chicken with the mobs. It's perfectly valid for the graveyard but almost useless in the border forest.

I'm out of practice but you must be packing in quite a few stun essences to get the debuff to trigger all the time. Last I remembered only the undead monsters had vulnerability with just about everything else being resistant.

Silence wands help, but you must be terrified of the Black Hand, Black Dog and the Ghoul to keep so many wands around.
well, with a little patience and no wrong move I'm sure I can reach floors 80 of border or so on (throwing in the fact that you can meet the dwarf and the cat to restock and such...) since I have reached floors 54 in the past with much much less specific items in my inventory...

the thing is, if I play chicken too much and it happen to have a vortex lying around, worse if I run into monster room while searching for the sacrifice... it will be bloody... that run I did in the past to reach floor 54, I only run into 4 vortex (back then I cursed my luck but now that I think it over :rolleyes:)

.... Oh and i'm sure no one notice or pay much attention to it, but you can quick swap up to 3 equipment at the same time, one weapon + one wear/under plus one accessory/neck
for jack of all trade build like me, this is a life saver to be able to instant switch between max agi and moderate strenth/magic build.
 
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Didn't know about the multiple equipment swap, but it doesn't help me since I swap weapons rather than hold multiple armour pieces depending on situation.

Only meeting 4 vortexes to get to level 54 in the forest is pure luck, I'd meet on average 1 vortex every 6-9 levels. Just as well the later versions reduced the number of vortexes on a particular map to just 1, I've had to run sometimes when trying to find two sacrificial offerings on opposite ends of a huge map at level 70+.

Since your build is more or less finalised, try beating my personal best of level 110+ in the border forest on normal difficulty. Inscriptions drop quite regularly and the items with red essences are of a decent standard too. The problem is coping with level 100+ stock enemies, if the headless count turns up and goes crazy with the AOE attacks I'm looking at level 300+ count who runs around a lot and is almost impossible to pin down.
 

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Didn't know about the multiple equipment swap, but it doesn't help me since I swap weapons rather than hold multiple armour pieces depending on situation.

Only meeting 4 vortexes to get to level 54 in the forest is pure luck, I'd meet on average 1 vortex every 6-9 levels. Just as well the later versions reduced the number of vortexes on a particular map to just 1, I've had to run sometimes when trying to find two sacrificial offerings on opposite ends of a huge map at level 70+.

Since your build is more or less finalised, try beating my personal best of level 110+ in the border forest on normal difficulty. Inscriptions drop quite regularly and the items with red essences are of a decent standard too. The problem is coping with level 100+ stock enemies, if the headless count turns up and goes crazy with the AOE attacks I'm looking at level 300+ count who runs around a lot and is almost impossible to pin down.
hm... then you can look forward to it as I will do it next month once I reorganize my chest/stash, I plan to do it with only 25/25 stash (haven't turned a single sacrifice in since then cuz I love collecting girls and put them in my collection box xD ;) ) and no inscription-run yet again... hope I can stand it...

I have no problem with lv 100 monster since I somehow know how to deal with them by now, the difficulty here is:
- The floor debuff, I can just get minor debuff and get by with guidance scroll (should probably stock 3 or 5 in chest beforehand)
-The layout of the floor, it tend to get large corridor so obviously I can't use evade stance which mean i'll by fried by mage and long range shooter ---> equipment degrade but since there's the hut that won't be a problem
- The boss, of all the boss, Dullahan is the strongest, hardest to track and love to run and stay away from me but he's fucking weak to magic, I know that so maybe I can work something out (currently frying lv 170 count with 3 shot from gunner broom, god, over 600 Hp that bastard, I wonder what happen if I have one nuke wand with me, instant ~750 hp I think)
- the large monster house, nothing serious here, just like normal monster house everywhere, just a different mix and since I no longer have to worry about repairing stuff or the number of scroll I have cuz of the hut, I can go all out spamming magic and stuff at them...
... I think it's doable, just wait till I get to floor 100 of forest cemetary first *exhausted*
Edit: now that I think about this, I did have one inscription with me all the time tho, the phantom uterus one, probably can't do large monster house in forest cemetery or everywhere else that have phantom/banshee... thank goodness I got it as an accident when I lost to them sometime ago in much much lower floor.
 
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*pops in*
I challenge you both to do extreme hard mode border forest to floor 50.

You people with normal mode doesn't know the hell I have to go through to reach floor 20ish without guidance scroll ._.
 

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*pops in*
I challenge you both to do extreme hard mode border forest to floor 50.

You people with normal mode doesn't know the hell I have to go through to reach floor 20ish without guidance scroll ._.
Keep the map scrolls around then, they're not hard to stock up with and they make the maps so much easier if you're not willing to run around to look for the right trap.

Since your build is based on power, it theoretically should do better than mine for making it to the depths of the forest. I'm not playing this game now so I won't be making it to Makai mode any time soon.
 

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*pops in*
I challenge you both to do extreme hard mode border forest to floor 50.

You people with normal mode doesn't know the hell I have to go through to reach floor 20ish without guidance scroll ._.
challenge accepted ;)
 

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challenge accepted
*salutes*

Some tips in extreme hard mode.

The BS is stronk in the enemy. Please watch out for DoT. For a 50 floor run, guidance scroll all the way unless you find that latern trap.
 

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*salutes*

Some tips in extreme hard mode.

The BS is stronk in the enemy. Please watch out for DoT. For a 50 floor run, guidance scroll all the way unless you find that latern trap.
wait wait wait, what is this Dot mechanic you guys have been talking about :confused:
damage based on hp something I still quite don't understand extreme mode yet
 

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Damage over time.

Regular DoT or damage over time is based on your character's current max hp.
Translate to 12 (poison)~25ish (burn) per turn.

Extreme mode introduces absolute DoT. This DoT is based on a percentage (different?) of the potential max hp. Which if I recall right is 193.
Translate to 19 damage with poison~38ish with cremation/burn.

Hard mode ensures that you start at level 1 with 70 hp + HP bonus.
(Fortunately, you get to Lv10 fairly quickly, with 128 base hp)

Don't get DoTed.
 

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Re: MaiDenSnow Eve

Damage over time.

Regular DoT or damage over time is based on your character's current max hp.
Translate to 12 (poison)~25ish (burn) per turn.

Extreme mode introduces absolute DoT. This DoT is based on a percentage (different?) of the potential max hp. Which if I recall right is 193.
Translate to 19 damage with poison~38ish with cremation/burn.

Hard mode ensures that you start at level 1 with 70 hp + HP bonus.

Don't get DoTed.
In other words, poison attacks are much more lethal than they normally are outside of the forest.

The Minotaur's inferno attack is also more dangerous since the burn damage after the initial pillar is much higher than it would have been.

You don't even need extreme mode to figure this out since entering the forest on regular settings makes persistent damage attacks like poison and immolation much more powerful.
 

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Damage over time.

Regular DoT or damage over time is based on your character's current max hp.
Translate to 12 (poison)~25ish (burn) per turn.

Extreme mode introduces absolute DoT. This DoT is based on a percentage (different?) of the potential max hp. Which if I recall right is 193.
Translate to 19 damage with poison~38ish with cremation/burn.

Hard mode ensures that you start at level 1 with 70 hp + HP bonus.
(Fortunately, you get to Lv10 fairly quickly, with 128 base hp)

Don't get DoTed.
thank you for your answer, now I realized why back then automaton-chan hitted me hard like a truck.... *sigh* ... the future look tedious...
 

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You don't even need extreme mode to figure this out since entering the forest on regular settings makes persistent damage attacks like poison and immolation much more powerful.
That explains why the cremation does 37 damage followed by 45+ damage immolation in the forest~

Thanks Harley~ didn't realize that the DoT % stacks in the forest~
(Basically, immolation works out to be around 25% of the hp, I was using 20% before and wonders why I took 40+ dots)

*face in palm*

Directed Spell:
Like Belle's spell can be originated off her summon.
 

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Directed Spell:
Like Belle's spell can be originated off her summon.
AKA Death by remote control magic spam.

I've read enough of the skill on the wiki to swear never to enter a door with this debuff. A combination of a boss with strong magic attacks plus summoning monsters en masse almost guarantees a loss.
 

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That explains why the cremation does 37 damage followed by 45+ damage immolation in the forest~

Thanks Harley~ didn't realize that the DoT % stacks in the forest~
(Basically, immolation works out to be around 25% of the hp, I was using 20% before and wonders why I took 40+ dots)

*face in palm*

Directed Spell:
Like Belle's spell can be originated off her summon.
Nope pal, look at her spell list, off from anyone, not just her summon.

And Bell is only good with debuff (her specialty is decrease speed), but don't let her get too close, one flirting touch (if it hits) and you're guarranted a loss cuz of ectasy
 

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Nope pal, look at her spell list, off from anyone, not just her summon.
Son of a.

Thank you. Thank you for explaining a few of my random death ._.

In extreme mode minions gets the same skill and spams cremation with procs immolation.
 

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Son of a.

Thank you. Thank you for explaining a few of my random death ._.

In extreme mode minions gets the same skill and spams cremation with procs immolation.
So, say Dragonpaladin, if I did a 50 floors run in border in extreme hard, what's the chance of running into a large monster house ?
Last time I did extreme normal border, I only run into 3 upon reaching floor 54, if Dot is that bad I'm starting to doubt I can keep my sanity in that hellhole...
 

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Floor 50 in extreme?

Every so often.
More likely than not after 40. I haven't gotten that far yet since I am still waiting for patch.

... Initiate just did 60 damage = = that's just the raw attack without the dot. Thank heaven it didn't proc.
 
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