RPG RPG Maker [うさぎめしや / usabox] MaiDenSnow Eve / MaiDenSnow Eve ～さる前夜祭～ (RE115762, RJ115762)

[Harleyquin13]

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But the term unique has already been taken by Burial Blade and Crossfire P8

Yes, I need to get a second animal essence. The reason why I said that it won't be a drop from hell mode is because the author stated that you cannot get it as a regular drop. (Think wording was, you cannot get the essence normally) (Refer to post by Monceber)

Actually, the fact you can upgrade your items a lot easier in hell mode makes it worth it.

The other way around for me, silver I can get drop once per 10 essence drops. Gold? Once or twice per walk through. Think of gold as silver dropping from drawf and bandit. Its not happening.
One of the main reason I think gold star is rarer is because bosses only have silver star, but no gold star. It means that gold star's chance is low enough that it just isn't reasonable to farm. (And we know players farm bosses for elemental 3 drops, and succeeds most of the time. Though I still don't have thunder or earth 3 yet.)
The other main reason is because of the attached screenshot for two-handed sword. There's an obvious no star -> blank star -> silver star -> gold star type of hierarchy.

Terminology here is just for convenience, so long as everyone reading knows what is being referred to.

You're referring to Monciber's post about his reply from the developer on the official BBS? I'll need to reread that. There should be no reason why animal essences can't be obtained in Hell mode unless they have been deliberately disabled. Having read the developer's reply, I strongly suspect the red star essences are Makai exclusives, hopefully not linked to pregnancy but likely so.

Why would you say it's easier to upgrade items in hell mode? If you're referring to fusion then possibly yes but hell mode according to the author emphatically states that most of the etc. earned from level ups and loot is going to be reinvested in repair costs (I'm stocking up on repair scrolls right now in preparation for this)

Silver star drops from the bosses are rare enough to be just as difficult as gold star drops from non-boss monsters. My essence 3 tally from the boss is as follows:

1. Wild Hunt 1 lightning 3 from 35 kills (looking for one more)
2. Chevalier 1 water 3 from 43 kills
3. Belle 1 earth 3 from 35 kills
4. Minotaur 2 fire 3 from 18 kills (1 of which I threw away by accident)
5. Headless count 0 ice 3 from 6 kills (No surprise here, especially since I can't kill this bastard reliably without getting wasted myself. Looking for 1 ice 3)

I accept your point on the star hierarchy on the item list, but red stars don't turn up on the item list and seeing how the names of essences change when 2 of the same level 1 essence are combined together really leads to the conclusion that red star essences are hell mode exclusives. Some items on the list don't turn up anyway even though there's no star next to them so they're probably waiting in hell mode (example would be the one gold star ammunition type which I have yet to find, there are also plenty of scrolls with no stars that remain undiscovered).

 

[Dragonpaladin]

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There should be no reason why animal essences can't be obtained in Hell mode unless they have been deliberately disabled.

No, I just want one before I restart since you can only get 1 of them per walk through. Sorry I made my statement confusing. *goes to separate the 2 sentences*

Silver star drops from the bosses are rare enough to be just as difficult as gold star drops from non-boss monsters

The thing is, I am looking at over 125 kills (on drawfs, another 125 on banits) for a single silver essence (gold star) to drop. And still hasn't managed to get one yet. The only silver essence I got is from initiate.

On the other hand, looking at silver star:
Anti-beast 2 in 9 kills (Just got from belle's summon)
Anti-Fairy 2, Purify 2, Water 3 in 30 kills
Fire 3 in 15 kills
Ice 3 in my first kill (*turns head away akwardly. we both know how lucky I got here)
0 Thunder 3 in 21 kills
0 Earth 3 in 8 kills (I hate belle runs just as much as you hate the headless count. I have a much easier time with headless count, apparently my burial blade does 2 hit 300+ damage with a single angelic halo due to the fire 3 essence)

Hence either you are unlucky with silver star essence drop, (and lucky with gold star essence drop) or I have gotten lucky consistently with boss's silver drops (and unlucky with silver star drops)
Also, do you recall Revent? Did you manage to farm a 2nd paralysis 1 from it yet? Either way, I would be happier if gold star drop rates are higher, since I need magi-tech 2 essence from the black knight.

PS: Floor 10 of city: 4 slot clean knuckle duster *sweat drops* thank heaven its not limb-fire or I am going to be strangled me to death.

Why would you say it's easier to upgrade items in hell mode? If you're referring to fusion then possibly yes but hell mode according to the author emphatically states that most of the etc. earned from level ups and loot is going to be reinvested in repair costs (I'm stocking up on repair scrolls right now in preparation for this)

All your exp is converted to exp at the end of a dungeon. Upgrade costs aren't changed, just repair costs. My clothing are rarely damaged, only weapons repairs are going to be painful.
In terms of storage, I am a pack rat. I have 10x Complete Repair Scrolls [2] and 5x Repair Scrolls [3].

I strongly suspect the red star essences are Makai exclusives, hopefully not linked to pregnancy but likely so.

To me, its just unseen until someone finds one. For now, all I know is that I haven't gotten one through normal drops at normal difficulty. No idea on pregnancy or hell mode. But your definitely right on items only available in hell mode.
I really dislike hell mode level reset. Much rather have increased difficulties. Its hard to get use to PC's damage-dealing capability and know what mobs you can 1hko.

 

[Kohakuren]

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I have some questions. What's the recipe of burial blade? Still using Mithril heat short sword here... What are redemption effects? I just know that it does quite good damages on some mobs. and is it correct that high level floors have better items? What is the max slots on clothes?

 

[Harleyquin13]

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No, I just want one before I restart since you can only get 1 of them per walk through. Sorry I made my statement confusing. *goes to separate the 2 sentences*

The thing is, I am looking at over 125 kills (on drawfs, another 125 on banits) for a single silver essence (gold star) to drop. And still hasn't managed to get one yet. The only silver essence I got is from initiate.

On the other hand, looking at silver star:
Anti-beast 2 in 9 kills (Just got from belle's summon)
Anti-Fairy 2, Purify 2, Water 3 in 30 kills
Fire 3 in 15 kills
Ice 3 in my first kill (*turns head away akwardly. we both know how lucky I got here)
0 Thunder 3 in 21 kills
0 Earth 3 in 8 kills (I hate belle runs just as much as you hate the headless count. I have a much easier time with headless count, apparently my burial blade does 2 hit 300+ damage with a single angelic halo due to the fire 3 essence)

Hence either you are unlucky with silver star essence drop, (and lucky with gold star essence drop) or I have gotten lucky consistently with boss's silver drops (and unlucky with silver star drops)
Also, do you recall Revent? Did you manage to farm a 2nd paralysis 1 from it yet? Its possible that gold star does represent unique, in that you can only get one copy of the drop per walk through. In return it shares the same drop rate as silver essence. Either way, I would be happier if gold star drop rates are higher, since I need magi-tech 2 essence from the black knight.

PS: Floor 10 of city: 4 slot clean knuckle duster *sweat drops* thank heaven its not limb-fire or I am going to be strangled me to death.


All your exp is converted to exp at the end of a dungeon. Upgrade costs aren't changed, just repair costs. My clothing are rarely damaged, only weapons repairs are going to be painful.
In terms of storage, I am a pack rat. I have 10x Complete Repair Scrolls [2] and 5x Repair Scrolls [3].


To me, its just unseen until someone finds one. For now, all I know is that I haven't gotten one through normal drops at normal difficulty. No idea on pregnancy or hell mode. But your definitely right on items only available in hell mode.
I really dislike hell mode level reset. Much rather have increased difficulties. Its hard to get use to PC's damage-dealing capability and know what mobs you can 1hko.

I have some questions. What's the recipe of burial blade? Still using Mithril heat short sword here... What are redemption effects? I just know that it does quite good damages on some mobs. and is it correct that high level floors have better items? What is the max slots on clothes?

That's unlucky. I've received multiple copies of supposedly one-off gold star essences from some monsters. I've definitely picked up more than one paralysis1 essence from the revenant for example. What I haven't seen like you is 魔装2 from the Black Knight (45 kills) and Silver1 from the black elves (185 kills) and kobolds (256 kills).

I've never tried combining full repair scrolls at the blacksmith. I should give it a go since I'm running short on storage space right now.

@Kohakuren: The burial blade is found, not crafted. Redemption has a chance of paralysis and purification, the latter means any enemy killed will only drop essences as loot at a higher probability than normal. Higher floors do have better items, more to the point when the exploration counter adds up enough equipment with nice red essences and empty slots closer to the theoretical maximum start to appear. Max slot on clothes is the same as it's always been, check the item list and look at the number of slots given on the left of the item icon.

 

[Dragonpaladin]

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@Kohakuren
The burial blade is crafted, nameless blade is found in "tree with a hole" area (deep area in graveyard).

Recipe is nameless blade + granite blade. (Other 2 handed weapon works as well.) This recipe is non-strict in terms of slots. (I recall you can use a 2 slot granite blade and fuse with the nameless blade and get a 1 slot nameless blade. Unlike Crossfire P8)

Maximum slots doesn't drop until at least floor 10. It also becomes reasonable in terms of rate only after floor 20 or so.

I've received multiple copies of supposedly one-off gold star essences from some monsters.

Scratch that one of idea then, I will go edit.

Main thing is, gold and silver star drops from some mobs are exactly the same as blank star drop/normal drop from other mobs. The only ones that matters like Silver 1 and Lv2 magi-equip is rarely seen. Silver drop on the other hand, I have at least one copy of all regular mobs except status prevention essence. (I don't keep those) Still haven't gotten all elem 3, anti-2 yet though. That's something I will need to grind for.

Either way, whether from silver star or gold star, I have 4~8 copies of Lv2 stats, elems, and Lv1 status infliction essence stacked. What I don't have is any red star (none-red) essence, complete Lv3 elem, complete Lv2 anti-type, dark 2, or any silver and invoker essence. Those I am using and is what matters. Anti-type 2 and Elem 3 is ranked silver star from boss. Silver essence (from gold star drop, initiate drops them normally) and invoker and dark 2 is from gold star regular mobs. Rest I have enough copies of that its a moot point.

Note: 100% of the essence I shown here for stats is Lv2, for Status inflict is Lv1, for elements is Lv2 (except 1 Fire 1 and 1 Ice 1 which I still need to swap out) while its all HP2, MP2 I only have 1 (drops from initiate only). It's gotten to the point that only essence that matters is the stuff from gold star drops and silver star drop from boss. (There's status prevention 2 from regular mobs that are silver stars. But I don't need or use those)

 

[Harleyquin13]

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The annoying thing about using the donation chest to store essences is the inability to get out what you need unless something can be offered in exchange. Nice collection though.

I can definitely prove that gold-star essences are not one-off drops. I just finished a long run through the snow forest (level 53-54) and found 3 silver essences from kobolds and elves. The Wild Hunt is still too stingy to drop lightning 3 even though I've picked up anti-divinity level 2 essences from him on multiple occasions.

I found a clean 3-slot falcon's stake so I can finally forge a 4-slot rapier using my existing 3-slot blind-stun-shadow falcon stake. Just the limbfire and a few level 3 essences to go before I can take on Makai mode.

 

[Dragonpaladin]

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snow forest (level 53-54)

I am jealous of the fact you got 3 silver essence to drop. But congrats on getting a 4-slotted rapier that you always wanted.

While you are doing that, I am trying to convince Belle to make my PC into a rabbit-girl without having futanari -> its not working.

Update 2: Upgrade costs was reduced using scrolls, I didn't do enough testing on upgrading gears past the 2nd scoll and was wrong.

Rants:

Spoiler

I actually wanted a gothic lolita style of clothing. Gothic Brassier isn't good enough any more! Give me something that's tier 2 clothing for magic already! orz

 

[Monceber]

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Update: Upgrade scrolls does not decrease upgrade cost at all. (Guess what he meant was that you can use upgrade scrolls to upgrade as opposed to using drawf and that saves etc)

*Sigh* Must be my imagination then.

Update: Funny thing with drop from eyeball (1/150 chance). I have its name on the drop list, which means that it dropped at least once in the past. But I don't remember seeing any item, even relatively similar to crystal. My guess that this item references a more common weapon, which has entirely different icon (like with minion's 1/40 drop - it opened for me when a sword-breaker dropped). Besides, naming convention for both these drops are similar - random sword for minion vs random manastone for eyeball. Still, the name and drop chance are keeping me intrigued about this.

A small question - how do I disable tips? There should be an option for that in settings, but I don't wanna meddle with things I don't understand.

On second note, "For the version 11/19, very important fix was uploaded." about half an hour ago. Wasn't using 11/19 version prior to this, so dunno what changes were implemented (beside little expansion of English UI)

 

[Harleyquin13]

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*Sigh* Must be my imagination then.

That's the definitive proof then. I still think the roll of the RNG determines whether or not an item is upgraded from a scroll once it reaches +10 or more.

The RNG gods finally smile on me! At last a clean 4-slot limbfire out in the field (only +2, but plenty of room to work with for upgrades).

Now if only the Wild Hunt would cooperate and cough up another lightning3 essence...

If morale drops low enough for the first of the bad mental states (無力な牝）, how much morale is required to remove this state and restore everything back to normal?

 

[Dragonpaladin]

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@Monceber
My apologies, I was wrong on this one, the prices does drop.

2 scrolls must haven't been enough to reduce the costs for weapons when I did my first testing. Likely due to the fact that I tried to reduce the upgrade cost for Burial Blade, which ate the 2 scrolls and didn't budge.

I tried it again for Gothic Brassier +25, first time cost wasn't reduced, it gets reduced on the second one. Now I can see where you are coming from with it gaining experience.
Update: Did some testing with +19 Gloves. It took 2 scrolls, but it went from not upgradeable to upgradeable. Monceber was completely right on the adding experience to gears. Each scroll adds a random amount of gear experience, and when gear experience overflows, the costs to upgrade it decreases. Well done for getting the details right the first time around. (Meanwhile, I was still basing my information on outdated patches, geeze, total fail on my part)

Quick question, what's the purple essences you are using? Are they any different from normal essences? Also, did you get any red star essences?

A small question - how do I disable tips? There should be an option for that in settings, but I don't wanna meddle with things I don't understand.

Refer to screenshot, the highlighted one was it. It should show the same as mine to disable the tips.

On second note, "For the version 11/19, very important fix was uploaded." about half an hour ago. Wasn't using 11/19 version prior to this, so dunno what changes were implemented (beside little expansion of English UI)

I have no idea either, but I downloaded it anyways.

If morale drops low enough for the first of the bad mental states (無力な牝）, how much morale is required to remove this state and restore everything back to normal?

-200, -100, 0, 100, 200
Getting it to above 100 should fix everything. Not sure though, since my playthrough doesn't give me much experience with the other side of maiden snow

Update on Crafting:
Don't bother with weapons that has an un-preferred red essence regardless of how good the first essence is. You cannot get rid of it.
I got a Pulse Slayer Limb-fire today, and realized that although I could craft the limb-fire into 1 slot Pulse sky-shooter, the slayer essence is still there, just inactive.

 

[Zerrest]

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Ahhhhh all these cute outfits I'll probably never get ; A;

Anyways, I appear to be getting that 2HP error even though I downloaded the three latest patches from Nov 19, 20, and 24 (or today). Was there a large update that renders the one I have useless now? Or do I just have to delete my save files or what?

 

[Dragonpaladin]

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Did you download the latest Nov 19 game? (As opposed to patches)
2HP error is usually the game requiring a fresh download from dlsite (Either that or daylight saving time, but that's been fixed).

 

[Zerrest]

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Did you download the latest Nov 19 game? (As opposed to patches)
2HP error is usually the game requiring a fresh download from dlsite (Either that or daylight saving time, but that's been fixed).

Ah, so I apply the patches along with the new download then, meaning I'm going to have to start over again?

 

[Dragonpaladin]

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Save file suppose to carry over, you just need the newest version and then apply the 3 patches to the patch folder.

 

[Monceber]

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Quick question, what's the purple essences you are using? Are they any different from normal essences? Also, did you get any red star essences?

Nothing special, really. For fuku I'm using agility and vitality (+ orange madness and hasty, so they even stack to lvl.3 as normal ones) and for limb-fire - stun and blind. They're not any different, except for the color (which is main reason I'm using them).
I tried getting red star with pregnancy, but I gave up since it was pain in the ass. Not only I had to survive long enough while naked and under debuff of lycanthropy, but there's always a chance that some random monsters will pop up, increasing chance of fail. Along with that, escaping after getting pregnant increased difficulty quite a bit.
So after trying for a dozen or so tries, I got only worthless essences (well, save for two lvl.1 status effects) and lots of bad habits. Which means that pregnancy only assures the essence drop, but drop rates remain the same. So, if for instance, red star is 1/50 chance drop (non regular), that means that you have to get impregnated about 50 times by the same type of monster to get 1 red star. And yeah, I'm not going to verify that.

Refer to screenshot, the highlighted one was it. It should show the same as mine to disable the tips.

Thanks, was really getting tired of this spam.

The annoying thing about using the donation chest to store essences is the inability to get out what you need unless something can be offered in exchange.

Well, you can. Only in PC's room, though. But yeah, in other location it can be quite annoying.

 

[Dragonpaladin]

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So after trying for a dozen or so tries, ...

Thanks for the info.

Rants:

Spoiler

So after grinding Underground water channel to Floor 28, I now officially have clean full-slot of all clothing except:
Sister Robe, Swim-wear, and the all important Gothic Brassier ... :/

Clothes that I am actually using though:
Strength & Agility on Sailor Fuku (Got to 209 raw damage with Burial) Magic on Gothic Brassier (Got to 138 raw damage with Vanguard) Accuracy & Resistance on Maid Fuku (It started at -3, I got a long way to go before +20)
Poor PC, too bad you aren't invincible during transformation like every other magic girl.

Note: Lv2 resistance is good for clothing when there's 3 slots. Due to the fact that Lv1, Lv2, and Lv3 resistance all gives a passive 5% (8% in weapon, 5% in clothing & collar) magic defense. They differ only in the resistance they give (2, 4, 6 respectively) meaning that Lv2 and Lv3 differs by 2 resistance only. As opposed to a 10% passive buff of all other stats essence.

Rants on crafting over-slotted rapier:

Spoiler

Doing an experiment on seeing how hard it is to raise a Red Essence Agi 3, 2 slot rapier to Agi 3, 4 slot rapier.
At the moment, I managed:
2R/2T rapier + 1R/3T Rapier -> Slot Expand -> 2R/3T Rapier
Agi 3 1R/2T Rapier + 2R/3T Rapier = Agi 3 1R/3T Rapier
Agi 3 1R/3T Rapier + 3R/4T Rapier = Agi 3 1R/4T Rapier
Now all I need is a 3R/4T. Wonder if this will drop before or after gothic brassier :X

 

[Themistoklis1]

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Hey guys can someone post the download linik for the latest version and an english translation patch (if there is any) ?? Sorry for not searching myself but until 13 December i wont have too much free time. Thank you

 

[Harleyquin13]

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Wild Hunt Kill number 68 brings up another lightning3 essence, I need one more to fill out the weapons I'm using to their preferred configuration. After that it's headless count runs

I've answered my own question regarding morale and mental state. My most recent run started me at 19 morale and 無力な牝. By the time I finished morale was on 68 and mental state reset to normal. My HPR regeneration still has a -2 modifier which I assume is from morale being less than 100, still much better than the -19 I started with.

 

[Dragonpaladin]

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That's part of the game I don't know about. My PC's got 18 pages of history, and only the eyeball having fun with her embarrassment. 0 bad traits period.

Underground water channel to 32, full clear from 30, and got pre-empted by guiding thread. Still no full-slotted gothic in sight. Though I did get a 3 slot Pulse longsword that I can hopefully put on a fox tooth. Although I still don't know the recipe for it.

OTOH, I figured out the advanced crafting recipes for:
Automator, Knuckle Duster, Sky-Shooter, Vanguard, and Balze Galgen
As well as confirmed the simple recipes for:
Short Sword, Longsword, Longhorn, Rapier, Falcon's Stake, Limb-fire

Recipe complete for dual wield guns, but couldn't figure out the advanced recipes for other weapon type. I want to craft a night stalker/fox's tooth already

 

[Harleyquin13]

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That's part of the game I don't know about. My PC's got 18 pages of history, and only the eyeball having fun with her embarrassment. 0 bad traits period.

Underground water channel to 32, full clear from 30, and got pre-empted by guiding thread. Still no full-slotted gothic in sight. Though I did get a 3 slot Pulse longsword that I can hopefully put on a fox tooth. Although I still don't know the recipe for it.

OTOH, I figured out the advanced crafting recipes for:
Automator, Knuckle Duster, Sky-Shooter, Vanguard, and Balze Galgen
As well as confirmed the simple recipes for:
Short Sword, Longsword, Longhorn, Rapier, Falcon's Stake, Limb-fire

Recipe complete for dual wield guns, but couldn't figure out the advanced recipes for other weapon type. I want to craft a night stalker/fox's tooth already

What's a balze galgen? What's the item number on the item list?
For me, getting weapons via crafting really isn't worth it since I find tons of them out in the field. Unless it's something that's exclusive from crafting, I reckon I've found every weapon there is available in normal mode.

Nice find on the pulse longsword, that's a red essence I've yet to see out in the field or at the blacksmith and black cat's list of products for sale.

If you have a recipe that can increase the max number of sockets for fox tooth/night stalker from 2 to 3, I'd love to hear it. I have a clean 2-socket night stalker in my stash but it's gathering dust since just two sockets limits it to sleep/paralyze plus darkness for me, I'd like the 3rd slot to be silver.

I now know that placing two different level 3 elemental essences in a single weapon is a waste of time. If I place lightning 3 and fire 3 together in a limbfire for example, the essence placed later takes priority and overwrites the effects of the first.