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Re: Witchcraft II
I'd like to take a moment to point something very important out. If her program has a "Call home" function, that means it's doing something on your machine it's not allowed to do. Here's the thing: Big companies don't use this method not because it's easy to break (90% of endusers won't even notice it), It's because that's a very, very serious crime in the US and most of the EU.
Either she's lying, and there is no detection/traceback method, or it doesn't matter because if she tried to act on it she would be the one violating privacy laws, not her endusers (And information gathered illegally is inadmissable.)
This falls under a VERY similar reason as to why things like keyloggers and anything that tracks your actions on a PC in the background/without your express permission are very, very bad ideas. Big companies have to subpeona ISPs just to figure out what you downloaded in some cases (They agree to cooperate without them because it's easier that way mostly). They have to scour torrent listings and subpeona THOSE. She's just some tiny little game maker- She doesn't have the resources to go about it in the extremely fragile way you have to to remain within the law.
I'd like to take a moment to point something very important out. If her program has a "Call home" function, that means it's doing something on your machine it's not allowed to do. Here's the thing: Big companies don't use this method not because it's easy to break (90% of endusers won't even notice it), It's because that's a very, very serious crime in the US and most of the EU.
Either she's lying, and there is no detection/traceback method, or it doesn't matter because if she tried to act on it she would be the one violating privacy laws, not her endusers (And information gathered illegally is inadmissable.)
This falls under a VERY similar reason as to why things like keyloggers and anything that tracks your actions on a PC in the background/without your express permission are very, very bad ideas. Big companies have to subpeona ISPs just to figure out what you downloaded in some cases (They agree to cooperate without them because it's easier that way mostly). They have to scour torrent listings and subpeona THOSE. She's just some tiny little game maker- She doesn't have the resources to go about it in the extremely fragile way you have to to remain within the law.
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Re: Witchcraft II
The supposed idea is if someone shares a file, she can look at the shared file and see who released it. What I don't know is how it's possible for her to get an unique identifier in every file for each person. I recall from before, when you log in it takes you to something like "zxcfdsfdfs324.ero-mania.net". I don't know if this is somehow a unique version of the site per user and maybe that's how everything has an identifier built in to each file, or she's just trying to hide the directory. I also doubt her herself has access to anything from moviephone or whatever besides usernames
Re: Witchcraft II
If that's the case then PMers won't get blacklisted(unless they openly give themselves away of course).
Well, we've already established that Papanomics won't give us the games so...... Anyone else? PMs won't blacklist you.
Wait, then if she can only detect who bought the game and distributed it after she download's the game, wouldn't that mean that PMs would work since she wouldn't be able to get her hands on the copy? And by extension meaning that she wouldn't find out who distributed her games(or that her games were distributed in the first place).
If that's the case then PMers won't get blacklisted(unless they openly give themselves away of course).
Well, we've already established that Papanomics won't give us the games so...... Anyone else? PMs won't blacklist you.
Re: Witchcraft II
And how would PM's keep you safe from ever being detected? Let's say I made a post here, openly stating "I'm sharing the games, PM me for a download". Not only would I be totally spammed with PM's which would be bothersome in itself, but how would I know if:
1: some of all the people who send me a PM request isn't one of her "white knights"/fans who will simply forward the download link/content to her?
2: some of the people who send me PM's simply will ignore that I write "please do not post the link/game anywhere else"? When people care so little about the creator's own wishes to have the content redistributed against their will, how can I know that amongst all the pirates here (and all the people with little or no understanding of english), will keep that promise?
3: some people who owns piracy-sites where they earn money on downloads won't ask for a download? (You've probably seen a lot of those already: sites that contains a shitload of pirated stuff, with downloads on them where they try to have you sign up for a "premium account" on whatever downloading source they use). I'm certain many of those people frequently browse forums like this for download links they can put up on their blogs/sites/whatever. They're there to earn money on pirated content, and they wouldn't give one shit about my wish not to repost the download.
The thing with offering PM downloads is you don't know who'll be sending you PM's. You'll be bombarded with them, and sooner or later someone will repost that link or the link's content somewhere else. When most people don't care about the creator's wishes not to repost it, you're bound to bump into someone who won't care about the pirate's wish not to repost it.
Vanja's games, Swiss Made's games and some other type of games isn't allowed to post here (quoting from the FORUM RULES again, http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showthread.php?t=2182, where it's clearly stated):
And how would PM's keep you safe from ever being detected? Let's say I made a post here, openly stating "I'm sharing the games, PM me for a download". Not only would I be totally spammed with PM's which would be bothersome in itself, but how would I know if:
1: some of all the people who send me a PM request isn't one of her "white knights"/fans who will simply forward the download link/content to her?
2: some of the people who send me PM's simply will ignore that I write "please do not post the link/game anywhere else"? When people care so little about the creator's own wishes to have the content redistributed against their will, how can I know that amongst all the pirates here (and all the people with little or no understanding of english), will keep that promise?
3: some people who owns piracy-sites where they earn money on downloads won't ask for a download? (You've probably seen a lot of those already: sites that contains a shitload of pirated stuff, with downloads on them where they try to have you sign up for a "premium account" on whatever downloading source they use). I'm certain many of those people frequently browse forums like this for download links they can put up on their blogs/sites/whatever. They're there to earn money on pirated content, and they wouldn't give one shit about my wish not to repost the download.
The thing with offering PM downloads is you don't know who'll be sending you PM's. You'll be bombarded with them, and sooner or later someone will repost that link or the link's content somewhere else. When most people don't care about the creator's wishes not to repost it, you're bound to bump into someone who won't care about the pirate's wish not to repost it.
Vanja's games, Swiss Made's games and some other type of games isn't allowed to post here (quoting from the FORUM RULES again, http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showthread.php?t=2182, where it's clearly stated):
I'd recommend that those of you who really want those games either purchase a membership on her website and get them, or find some other forum/place where they allow posting her games.
Re: Witchcraft II
Dude, I didn't say to openly post on the topic that you're accepting PMs, that defeats the purpose of secrecy, duh? Didn't you read the part where I said "(unless they openly give themselves away of course)" ?
Dude, I didn't say to openly post on the topic that you're accepting PMs, that defeats the purpose of secrecy, duh? Didn't you read the part where I said "(unless they openly give themselves away of course)" ?
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Re: Witchcraft II
If anyone has a link they want to share, please PM me it.
If anyone has a link they want to share, please PM me it.
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Re: Witchcraft II
Please.
Then how would someone let you know that they are sharing. They would have to pm YOU telling YOU that they are sharing their game?
Please.
Re: Witchcraft II
.....look, you missed the point, I am not saying someone has to specifically ask a specific someone else who has the game to give them the game, I am saying that for those who posted on this topic generally asking for a PM , the game owners who feel like it would PM those guys the game. Without having to openly post on the topic that they have the game.
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On that topic, for the guys still checking this thread, I don't have witchcraft 2. However I do have Vanja's witchcraft 1,Bibbi's spell and Bondage world, if anyone wants a DL link, just PM me. (Don't worry, I asked the guy who gave me the games, they're not ID'd to an active account so no harm to no one)
They wouldn't let me know, their PM would be a link to the game right away.
.....look, you missed the point, I am not saying someone has to specifically ask a specific someone else who has the game to give them the game, I am saying that for those who posted on this topic generally asking for a PM , the game owners who feel like it would PM those guys the game. Without having to openly post on the topic that they have the game.
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On that topic, for the guys still checking this thread, I don't have witchcraft 2. However I do have Vanja's witchcraft 1,Bibbi's spell and Bondage world, if anyone wants a DL link, just PM me. (Don't worry, I asked the guy who gave me the games, they're not ID'd to an active account so no harm to no one)
Re: Witchcraft II
Still, if that person wants to take the chance, it's up to him/her. Maybe just be a bit aware of how many people get the games through PM, and what kind of people you're giving it to..liked I mentioned in one of my previous post, you never know who'll be asking for PM's, and how much of a shit they'll care to give about not reposting the games anywhere else.
It doesn't matter wether or not the account is active anymore. It's still ID'd to the account that was used to download the files. If those games are leaked anywhere she can get that person's details blocked by Verotel and they can never sign up on her site again, or any site using Verotel. Or, worst case scenario: she can take legal action against that person.
Still, if that person wants to take the chance, it's up to him/her. Maybe just be a bit aware of how many people get the games through PM, and what kind of people you're giving it to..liked I mentioned in one of my previous post, you never know who'll be asking for PM's, and how much of a shit they'll care to give about not reposting the games anywhere else.
Re: Witchcraft II
That's the thing, the game is either connected to an account that has already been caught/blacklisted, or not connected to an account at all.
If a white knight asks for a PM, the best they could do is delete the link. Kind of useless considering all I have to do is upload the games again.
That's the thing, the game is either connected to an account that has already been caught/blacklisted, or not connected to an account at all.
If a white knight asks for a PM, the best they could do is delete the link. Kind of useless considering all I have to do is upload the games again.
Re: Witchcraft II
Yes, you can just upload them again without worries. And that's because it's not your ass on the line for doing so, since you're not the one who purchased a membership there. And this is the exact reason why almost nobody wants to share the games!
After all, you never know if the people you give these games to will simply spread it around carelessly. If caught, you don't know if she'll just stop by blacklisting your account, or if she'll proceed further with legal actions. The people you share the games with just might not care wether you get in trouble or not, so why would they want to take the chance? Most people just don't. And I'm certain that reading things like this won't exactly make them more eager to share anything with anyone..
Yes, you can just upload them again without worries. And that's because it's not your ass on the line for doing so, since you're not the one who purchased a membership there. And this is the exact reason why almost nobody wants to share the games!
After all, you never know if the people you give these games to will simply spread it around carelessly. If caught, you don't know if she'll just stop by blacklisting your account, or if she'll proceed further with legal actions. The people you share the games with just might not care wether you get in trouble or not, so why would they want to take the chance? Most people just don't. And I'm certain that reading things like this won't exactly make them more eager to share anything with anyone..
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All I have to say, for the ones saying that it isn't connected or traceable, buy a membership once... then share your games with everyone. See what happens. Then you can let us know.
Like I said I support Vanja's work, I like it, I like her, so I'm not going to give her stuff away, especially when she specifically asks so.
If you've NEVER had an account on her site before, the amount of content you will get is immense. Go for broke.
Oh, I didn't know the blacklisting applied to other sites via verotel. I kinda like a few of them.
All I have to say, for the ones saying that it isn't connected or traceable, buy a membership once... then share your games with everyone. See what happens. Then you can let us know.
Like I said I support Vanja's work, I like it, I like her, so I'm not going to give her stuff away, especially when she specifically asks so.
If you've NEVER had an account on her site before, the amount of content you will get is immense. Go for broke.
Re: Witchcraft II
Plus, we've never heard of any such thing, we've heard of link deletion, we've heard of IP blacklisting, but we haven't heard a single thing that goes beyond that, not for distributing Illusion's games, not for distributing toro toro quest's games, and sure as hell not for distributing vanja's games.
And not only because it's not my ass on the line, but because whoever's ass on line has already been caught and dealt with, and no further harm can come from further distribution.
Legal? sorry, but Vanja taking legal actions against a single distributer is as much of a chance as Any company that sells games for prices doing so(especially big ones like monster girl quest).
Plus, we've never heard of any such thing, we've heard of link deletion, we've heard of IP blacklisting, but we haven't heard a single thing that goes beyond that, not for distributing Illusion's games, not for distributing toro toro quest's games, and sure as hell not for distributing vanja's games.
And not only because it's not my ass on the line, but because whoever's ass on line has already been caught and dealt with, and no further harm can come from further distribution.
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Maybe she wouldn't take legal actions against just one person. But I wouldn't take too much of a chance on that.
She did, however, once take legal actions against a website that posted some of her content. Not sure if she did against the individual who was reponsible for the leak, however. I never cared to ask her about that. Still, if her content is being posted on some website, then the owner/s of that site will likely find themselves in trouble. That's why any kind of sharing should be through PM's only. The thing is that those who have the games are likely to be hesitant about sharing when they read that people don't care if the games are reposted elsewhere. Hardly anyone would be stupid enough to take the chance then. If people had more of an "if you give me the games I won't post it anywhere else or give them to anyone else" approach it would have been different. You still couldn't really trust them on that, though.
It's not a new thing with people being sued for leaking watermarked content, though. Just take a look at this one:
Maybe she wouldn't take legal actions against just one person. But I wouldn't take too much of a chance on that.
She did, however, once take legal actions against a website that posted some of her content. Not sure if she did against the individual who was reponsible for the leak, however. I never cared to ask her about that. Still, if her content is being posted on some website, then the owner/s of that site will likely find themselves in trouble. That's why any kind of sharing should be through PM's only. The thing is that those who have the games are likely to be hesitant about sharing when they read that people don't care if the games are reposted elsewhere. Hardly anyone would be stupid enough to take the chance then. If people had more of an "if you give me the games I won't post it anywhere else or give them to anyone else" approach it would have been different. You still couldn't really trust them on that, though.
It's not a new thing with people being sued for leaking watermarked content, though. Just take a look at this one:
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Re: Witchcraft II
Perhaps, but fact of the matter is, there are several more sites that had posted links(or rather, deleted links, several of them), and they haven't been taken down or even anything close. Plus, I am sharing through PMs after all.
And that example case you showed is an overpriced exception, either that, or the stolen goods were overpriced themselves. Either way, vanja's games are far far less costly, and this method of distribution is far far less open to amounts of people. And at this point, the distribution is out of the original owner's hand, what more damage could vanja do to him beyond what she might have already done?
Perhaps, but fact of the matter is, there are several more sites that had posted links(or rather, deleted links, several of them), and they haven't been taken down or even anything close. Plus, I am sharing through PMs after all.
And that example case you showed is an overpriced exception, either that, or the stolen goods were overpriced themselves. Either way, vanja's games are far far less costly, and this method of distribution is far far less open to amounts of people. And at this point, the distribution is out of the original owner's hand, what more damage could vanja do to him beyond what she might have already done?
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Re: Witchcraft II
what are you talking about? I am the one sharing them.(or atleast, some of them anyway)
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what are you talking about? I am the one sharing them.(or atleast, some of them anyway)
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Oh, you were arguing about the new ones(witchcraft 2 and such)? actually I still want them, but that wasn't our current point of debate...or at least I didn't think it was.