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Old 22nd November 2013
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Just thought I'd drop by...After all I'm getting insulted while I'm not even in the conversation. So for all the people here who don't know what happened, let me sum things up :

- I created Mega Vitamin using Butakoma's Artwork without his permission
- He discovered it and asked me to delete my game (which I did)
- He then came back to me saying he would agree that I keep on working on my game if I respected some conditions.
- I respected his conditions and started working on my game again
- He proposed me to draw 6 exclusives scenes for the game.
- Now the game is out.

And now you have this good old FruitSmoothie who comes on my Hongfire thread (where he never set a foot before) the even day I declare Butakoma asked me to delete my game (so I wasn't really joyful at that time) and here's what he wrote :

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Are you fucking kidding me? You took an artists hardwork over years and years of practice and tried to make a game out of it? I just found this thread and it sickens me. You think just because his art is posted online that you can do whatever you want with it without permission? Do you know how badly this guy could sue your ass into oblivion for all the copyright infringement? I've seen people get major shit for using ONE piece of work from an artist and here you have like this entire guys gallery? Are you completely dense to how much work and dedication it took this artist to get as good as they have and build a gallery that big?

I love this artist (Butakoma 300g), and feel so terrible for him for what you've done here. I really hope he's okay.

Ark Thomas you are seriously a terrible person for not considering the artist and how this would effect them. I hope you are punished for this.
So I'd lie if I said I'm not here to argue, but when you say somthing like :

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I wasn't even rude to the guy
You seriously need to review the definition of the word "rude".

So of course I insulted you. Your whole point would be valid if the following statement was true : "People can't find his artwork on the net". Which is unfortunately not true. So you want to insult me because I stole his artwork ? Go on. But don't forget to check each thread of each game that has images that doesn't belong the game creator and to bitch about it, and also don't forget to send an email to each person that download illegaly Butakoma's artwork. I think it should keep you entertained for the next 10 years.

I will finish by saying you're certainly the most hypocrite guy I've ever seen, defending an artist on this site where I just needed 2 clicks to find free downloads of dlsite games...

As for the other people, don't hesitate to tell me what you think about the game.

spaminator -> it's maybe due to the fact the the main archive of the game is crypted and your browser sees it as a threat, but don't worry, there are no viruses, malwares or whatever in the zip.
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Old 22nd November 2013
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Came out of lurking just to say to Ark: Don't worry about people's bullshit. You made a great game, got an artist's attention with it, and went on to work with that very artist. It's my opinion that people should either thank you for the game they are enjoying or stfu. Also; thanks ^_^
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I don't completely understand what I'm looking at. At first, I assumed all of this is for this same game, but is it not? Cuz I'm sure I saw a game there that I've seen before? Is it just a collection of some of that artist's works?
You are thinking of vitamin quest

http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/showthread.p...hlight=vitamin

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Well, it is in the past by the fact it happened previous to now. This product still is a result of those actions though.

Please tell me how he didn't "steal it" after you go on to admit that he stole it.

No, it's like finding 100 bucks in someone's house, taking it home, then try to give it out to others when the owner stops you.
It's not stealing if Ark actually paid for the artwork in the first place. At worst, it can be regarded as illegal distribution (e.g. when you upload music from ripped fom a CD you bought), and at best it's simply abuse of fair usage (e.g. you are allowed to make only so many photocopies of pages from a licensed book, any more than that and you are breaking fair usage).

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dam these puzzle at day 11 its hurting my braini canr solving it!
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deathwing25 -> You might want to check the new version I just uploaded. I reduced the difficulty of the puzzles ^^

And thanks for the comments guys ^^
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Out of curiosity, are you ever going to look into improving the grammar/writing of the game? Ordinarily when a game's dialogue is spotty or bad, I can just ignore it, but when the game basically has no purpose other than 'dialogue over hentai CGs' it's kind of impossible to ignore. It's all at least understandable, so good job there, but often times the dialogue is so awkwardly written that it just winds up making me laugh. Which probably isn't the intent.

Props for all the work you've put into this game, and for getting the artist's permission, but for me this is a critical problem that makes it kind of impossible to take seriously.
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I'd love to correct all the grammar errors. I know there are tons of them. After all english is not my native language. However it seems that the quantity of work a global correction would represent is too much to handle for people who tried it.

In one year and a half, I recruited around 5 people willing to correct all the faults of the game. And I'm still waiting a single one of them to give me something (meaning they've all given up).

I'll post a "recruitment" topic on my blog to see if people are interested, but I'm not sure I'll find someone.

But yeah, correcting the mistakes is something I hope achieving someday, more on the long term than short term ^^
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anyone got save file after tetris puzzle!pls!
impossible to get 2500 point at tetris
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Hmm. The mediafire link on the blog isn't working atm. Not sure if a problem on my end or yours, Ark.
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What is exactly the problem ? You can't download the game or the file downloaded is corrupted ?

If it's the first problem, I can't help you since I can download it without problem. If it's the second problem, I'll try to see if I can reupload it (maybe something occured during the first upload). Then again I tried downloading it entirely and I had no problem with it.

It maybe comes from your country (you know file hosters and countries -_-). You were having problem with the previous versions, or is it the first time you're downloading it ?
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What is exactly the problem ? You can't download the game or the file downloaded is corrupted ?

If it's the first problem, I can't help you since I can download it without problem. If it's the second problem, I'll try to see if I can reupload it (maybe something occured during the first upload). Then again I tried downloading it entirely and I had no problem with it.

It maybe comes from your country (you know file hosters and countries -_-). You were having problem with the previous versions, or is it the first time you're downloading it ?
Yeah, I reaaaaally could have been more specific with that last post...

What I meant was, clicking the link does nothing for me. At all. I'll try a few things and see if I can get it to play nice. And it's the first time I've tried to download the game.

EDIT: Nope, still nothing. Hmmm, this is weeeeird. It's like the link doesn't even want to load for me. :/

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So then what I was handed was, as a matter of fact, a collection of images like what we'd experience with this game, but not actually any of the images in this game?

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Cuz that's the point I'm making, I don't see any type of preview to this.

It's not stealing if Ark actually paid for the artwork in the first place. At worst, it can be regarded as illegal distribution (e.g. when you upload music from ripped fom a CD you bought), and at best it's simply abuse of fair usage (e.g. you are allowed to make only so many photocopies of pages from a licensed book, any more than that and you are breaking fair usage).
Yeah it still is, because that's what illegal distribution is. I don't know anyone who thinks that a commission gives you full distribution rights. It's still the artist's work. I realize that the whole thing is ok'ed now, so I'm not knocking on this game at all, but it seems like this would have been avoiding by the very common sense addition of telling the artist beforehand that the images were sought to be used in a game. Unless I'm missing any more information here, it seems like lack of forethought occurred here.
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toxicshock... please just stop talking about it now.. no one gives a shit, just be happy the game is out no one cares about it, and only 2 people have ever really did, so please, just enjoy the game, and next time please just talk about gameplay, not ethics, because you wont win that discussion
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Yeah it still is, because that's what illegal distribution is. I don't know anyone who thinks that a commission gives you full distribution rights. It's still the artist's work. I realize that the whole thing is ok'ed now, so I'm not knocking on this game at all, but it seems like this would have been avoiding by the very common sense addition of telling the artist beforehand that the images were sought to be used in a game. Unless I'm missing any more information here, it seems like lack of forethought occurred here.
Yeah, all he would have had to do was not be inconsiderate and ask Buta beforehand. He never bothered to mention that though, it was all excuses about how he thought it was fine and was trying to help Buta by stealing his artwork and publishing it in a game.

Really, if you saw the posts in the original thread, most of it was entitled garbage about how they all just want their free porn and some people didn't even see how it was stealing and how it could hurt Buta (Like in this thread. Though some did, thankfully). Some people were actually saying Buta was acting like a jerk for asking the creator to stop work on the game/stealing his artwork, lol.

It's not worth the effort for me to try to understand scumbags like that. I just hope some people see these kinds of conversations and think about the artist before acting like a scumbag and publishing/using their work without permission, even if just to avoid you getting your project shut down because you're a selfish, entitled twat. That's all that matters.

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I'm not on your side either. I legitimately believe there was a lack of thought, not a presence of scumminess that led to the situation. I was just letting legend know that he's an idiot for pretending sunshine and rainbows when even the creator himself came in and blatantly states that he was using images against the artist's permission, while Legend is acting all "Nooo.. it was just... ya know... he's the victim for having to delete something that he was doing, even though the images themselves weren't actually lost."


So now, can we return to either the topic at hand or my other question in terms of what is in this game? I feel like a large plus to a game is letting people know what's in it, and I'm only getting little bits of secondhand information here at a time.
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