About 50% of hentai to be illegal in the UK

[Pale]

Ok, here we go.. I'll stick to stuff on this page because I'm lazy.

Originally Posted by Diagasvesle

There is neither of them.

Originally Posted by Diagasvesle

BILLION'S

Originally Posted by Diagasvesle

minioritys

Originally Posted by Diagasvesle

Adam and eve (completely disregarding the evolution theory for now.) Had the mindsets of children in grown up bodies. Tell them not to do something, and they'll do it.

Tense?

Originally Posted by Diagasvesle

then how does the other governments think of it?

Originally Posted by Diagasvesle

I blame my self for things I know I was at fault.

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[aika]

lolpwnt

[Diagasvesle]

That's all the ones you could find Pale?

Hmmm, I am slacking but ehhhh. Anything of update on the law pass in the UK?

[Caulder]

*has facvepalmed about ten times from this discussion* Just drop it and get back to what this topic was about: Hentai becoming illegal. First it starts in the UK, then us Americans lose it. What next? Nunu loses it?

[the_taken]

Originally Posted by FrankTrollman

Yeah, the pageant culture in the US is way more troubling. Hell, in Czech Republic the age of consent is seriously 14. You can have sex with a 14 year old girl and no one will even care.

The fact is that Juliet was 12 and Helen of Troy was 19 at the end of the siege (think about it). The rate of teenage pregnancy is lower now than it has ever been, because only recently has it been considered a "problem."

When I was 14, Rei Ayanami was one of the first girls in media that I noticed. I will pretty much always find her attractive even though she's a cartoon character and "never ages." That's not pedophilia any more than getting aroused thinking about your own real-life past sexual experiences is. Even though Rei Ayanami is forever 14, she's also forever "my age" as far as it matters. And getting butt hurt about it is counter-productive.

There's real exploitation of real children, and cartoons just aren't in that category. At all. Yeah, some people get all weird about it, and that's weird. But I don't care about weird, I care about harm. Lewis Carrol was a bonafide pedophile - he genuinely got aroused at the prospect of having sex with young girls. But he also never actually did anything to young girls. He went through his whole life teaching mathematics to children and masturbating when he got home. That's weird, but it's frankly heroic. If you have pedophilic tendencies and you manage to figure out how to live your life without ever molesting any real children - then good for you.

It is outright counterproductive to worry over much about people who do things that are analogous to having sex with children who never actually harm anyone. There are real people who are really turned on by kids, and if they can't get fake kiddy porn they will eventually be driven to real kiddy porn. And that is disgusting.

-Frank

...even though it's strictly a fantasy the fantasy is based in something that can lead to nothing good.

That's a lie and you ought to know it. Porn and masturbation are the safest sex around, and should be made available to everyone. Forcing children to use adults as the sex objects in their pornography is frankly kind of disgusting - just as much if not more so than having adults thinking of children getting it on while jerking off.

Cartoon child porn can be a powerful source for good, provided that we make it available to children. It should seriously be on TV at like 16:00 - when kids have gotten home and before parents get off work. Because frankly, that's when they are going to be masturbating or fooling around with each other anyway. Making cartoons about children having sex with each other is a great compromise - it gives age appropriate pornography to children and doesn't exploit any real children.

Statistically, we know that all the anti-pornography tirades are completely false. Access to porn reduces STIs and other results of sexually irresponsible behavior. Ad the mechanisms by which this happens are fairly obvious. People who watch a lot of porn get less sexually frustrated, so they make less snap decisions in the bedroom, which means that they have less sexual encounters that they regret. And don't even get me started about the guy in Iraq who spent an hour trying to catheterize a clitoris because he didn't know how the female peepee looked.

Yeah, I totally understand if lolicon turns you off on many levels. And when you see a guy in mirror shades who's like 45 collecting the stuff that's a clue that the guy is a creep (though not nearly so dangerous as the same man not collecting lolicon, so whatever). But the fact is that giving out easy access to cartoon depictions of 14 year olds getting their groove on with each other on national TV in the mid afternoon would save lives. The fact that we haven't done it yet is just another temporary victory by religious bigots over logical sense.

-Frank

Frank, I don't believe this at all and you know why?

Because this line of thinking fucking failed to do so with violence in the media.

Apples and oranges. People will have sex. Many times in their lives. Most people achieve sexual release at a rate which is measurable on a per day basis.

Violence in the media has been fairly conclusively shown to have no effect whatsoever, but sex is completely different. People will get sex of one kind or another. Abstinence Only bullshit fails much more often than it succeeds. And when it fails, the sex it generates is desperate and ill-advised. Porn produces sexual activity as well - sexual activity which doesn't transmit any diseases or get anyone pregnant.

The lowest STI rates on the planet are in Holland - a nation that is famous for its incredibly easy and non-judgmental access to sex and pornography of all kinds.

Porn is good. The data is in, we should produce more of it and we should distribute it more freely to people of all ages. Being a prude about this sort f thing may make you feel good about yourself, but it has a real cost in real lives.

-Frank

I share his view, though not as extreme. Loli porn on @ 4pm? No thanks. I'd like it on DVD, please.