Would you kill a puppy for $1,000,000?

[Obeliskos]

The puppy.
It would be the most innocent thing in the world. I’m talking about the most adorable puppy that everyone would love. You’d just want to cuddle it in your arms. It’d be that puppy that no one can resist. Just the mere sight of it would make you all fuzzy inside. But that money, oh man. Would you want that million dollars?

The money.
A million dollars. In cash. Antony and Cleopatra! That money could be used for anything. You can help get your family back on track after being in debt. Give it to charity or donate it the kids who can’t even get a decent education. Hell, you can buy yourself that new computer you’ve always wanted. No one will know you’ve got that amount of cash. You’d be shooting the puppy with the most lethal handgun on Earth. You may experience guilt and people would… well, you know what I mean.

So what would it be?

Imagine if the puppy was a puppy that looked exactly like this:

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg18/cuteaddiction/cutepuppy.jpg

[DarkFire1004]

Why even bother wasting a bullet on the dog? I'd kill it with my own hands for a million. Hell, I'd settle for a hundred.

Plus, that dog isn't really that cute anyway.

[dmronny]

I work for animal control and have to kill cute animals all the time for less money. So why the hell not.

[Kusanagi]

My response is as follows:
http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/8/12/whyceilingcat128630779690607311.jpg

Oh, yeah, and no, I wouldn't.

Fuck the money, I have no issues making money.

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p180/metallica2k1/internet_serious_business.jpg

[Shrike7]

Yes I would, but out of guilt I would donate 100,000 to the SPCA afterwards

[Newbie]

I'd end it and keep all the money, and likely see if I could find a recipe so it wasn't just senseless violence. Though the meat would be rather stringy at that age...

[dmronny]

Actually dog isn't bad, had when I was staitioned in Korea.

[Newbie]

Actually dog isn't bad, had when I was staitioned in Korea.

That's what I hear. I also know some Vietnam vets who speak highly of cat.

[Hentaispider]

A dog? I'd do it for hundred, provided there's no consequences. But then, I don't like dogs. I guess they're nice, but I don't like having one in the house I live in.
Now, if it was a kitten, that would be a tougher choice. I guess I'd do it anyway, but I'd feel bad about it.

[Nunu]

i grew up breeding dogs, every litter you loose a few, provided it was the owner asking me to do this i wouldn't bat an eyelid.

[Sinfulwolf]

I would not. Money isn't that important, sure it helps get one through life, but at the expense of another creature's life, no not good enough. Sure, I've killed people and dogs (among other animals) before, but they threatened my survival, or I had to because of my job, or I wanted it for the food. But to kill something just for some money? No, I wouldn't.

[Nunu]

i'm not sure how killing for money is different than killing for food. there is a degree of separation but there not that different in principal.

[Twisted]

Sure. :P

[Tassadar]

Yes.

[Obeliskos]

Yes I would, but out of guilt I would donate 100,000 to the SPCA afterwards

This is actually an interesting point. If the money goes to a cause like that, the dog kind of took one for the team, then?

[aika]

Yeah, donate like half to charity, then I don't feel bad.

Then again, it might be a test (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrKnhOJ-R80)

[Gatorbait]

i'm not sure how killing for money is different than killing for food. there is a degree of separation but there not that different in principal.

You need food for survival, not money.

Poor doggie :(

[dmronny]

No you don't really need money to survive, of course neither does anyone need to kill to survive. We're not hunters and gatherers anymore. I find no reason to kill anything acceptable. Still did it though so I might as well get paid for it. I'm strongly in favor of Nunu's opinion there.

[QuirkyQuark]

I'd prefer not to kill the dog, just doesn't sit right with me. Would it be possible to kill the person telling me to do it, and then steal the money?

[dmronny]

Seems fair to me.

[Unknown Squid]

In all but the most remote community's, truely killing for food in the traditional sense doesn't exist any more. If you used the $1,000,000 to buy food, you could argue that you would never need to hunt again. Of course you have to consider farming, which is killing for food mass production style. Even then, many vegetarians would argue there is no need for meat based foods any more. The farmers that keep the livestock aren't actually killing for food either, as they do it for the money. Survival in a developed country means money. That said, survival is more than possible without the $1,000,000.

I think I will have to say yes. I've shot rats purely because they "invaded my territory", and I've eaten pigs and cows purely because I like the taste. As low as it might make me feel to do so, giving a puppy special treatment on account of cuteness and an imagined sense of morality would seem hypocritical. Why should the dog get a better deal than the rats.

I wouldn't jump at the idea, but I would see little sense in letting the life altering opportunity pass.

[dmronny]

That's actually more what I was trying to say, though I couldn't quite figure how to say it.

[Newbie]

You need food for survival, not money.

I'd like to point out that while money is not directly needed for survival in our society, it is the means by which we get everything. Food, shelter, clothing, even the most basic tools for making your own food and shelter cost money. The only survival thing easily and freely obtainable is water, and you have to wait for rain to make sure it's pure. Most of us (Humanity, not the forum, I don't know about those numbers) lack the proper skill set for wilderness survival. Add to this to incidentals like medical care, which even well trained survivalists would have difficulty making from scraps in the wild. So while yes, technically you don't need money, you really do still.

And I posit that I did say I'd attempt to cook and eat it, so the point is moot.

[ZeroSpace]

....Puppy eh?
I liked dogs, is it potty trained?
I think I will take the dog after shooting the guy and stealing the money...
or I would just walk away, life's hard, but not hard enough that I would want to kill a life for no reason. If I could never eat meat again, I'd be fine with it, gimme potatos, add some gravy, and I will live off that my whole entire life. I am eating beef and pork and chicken, etc. But I don't approve of it, I am a selfish man, but that doesn't mean I have no limits to how selfish I am. If you say put a hole in some jackass's head with a sniper and you will gimme a million dollars, I'd do it, but not because of the money, because I am doing socity some good. Oh wait, we can just put him in jail... oh well.
Puppies > Human scum.

[QuirkyQuark]

Agreed, puppy > human scum
And besides, the puppy would probably make a better companion than some rich prick getting people to kill dogs for money.

Why would you want to kill such a small puppy anyway? It's got no meat on it, an' wouldn't make for good eats.

[Newbie]

I know it wouldn't make good eats, but I don't want to waste a puppy for the sake of wasting it either. Maybe I could make a hat...

Actually, that's an awful idea. But I would like to have a use for the pooch.

[ZeroSpace]

If I was a sick bastard, I'd kill the dog, skin it, then make a small door step rug with it.

[Sinfulwolf]

Its unfortunate, but I've already had to kill a dog, who was little more than a puppy, because of my job. Shotgun to the head, not fun cause I love dogs so much.

Still, I won't do it for a million, for reasons I stated above, and also because, the situation just seems to get some rich bastard off on watching things die.

[Newbie]

Still, I won't do it for a million, for reasons I stated above, and also because, the situation just seems to get some rich bastard off on watching things die.

The more I think about it, the less it seems I would do it. I can't find a reason, I can't find a use for the puppy, as it's too small.

Though I have to question those of you who put the life of a puppy above that of a human. Granted, it was specifically human scum, but you know literally nothing about the puppy. He could be the meanest, biteingest dog this side of cujo, and you're going to let him go on account of he's cute? This is a blind situation, You know nothing about the animal outside it's appearance. You know the handgun is tops, so if the shooter is competent it shouldn't hurt. What happens if you don't shoot it?
I guess the idea here is that there's not enough information. All we have is a look, and the word of nobody that we'll get a million if we do it. And since it's hypothetical, many of us can't really know the answer unless the question were to come up.

[ZeroSpace]

Yup, but it's a dog. Most dogs don't come out as 'evil' when they are pups, so train it well, and it will be your friend. Also.............................................................What made you kill the dog sin? No need to tell if you don't wanna but... curiousity.
And... we are not saving it cause it's cute, we like you just have no reason to kill the dog. Cause like Sin already stated, there are situations we can't control.
Vote on my story please.

[Sinfulwolf]

Well, I was ordered to by my superiors. We didn't know if the dog had any diseases, and was running about the camp. So, I had to put him down.

[QuirkyQuark]

You think the dog could be evil? Look at it. It's way to young to have any real leanings, it's pretty much a blank slate. While we KNOW that the rich dude is at least mostly evil.

[neegak]

I just don't have the heart (or lack of one) to do it. Besides karma or something would probably come back to bite me in the ass.

[Hentaispider]

I would not. Money isn't that important, sure it helps get one through life, but at the expense of another creature's life, no not good enough. Sure, I've killed people and dogs (among other animals) before, but they threatened my survival, or I had to because of my job, or I wanted it for the food. But to kill something just for some money? No, I wouldn't.

What's the difference between killing something for your job and killing something for money?

[Sinfulwolf]

My job isn't doing it for my own personal gains wheras doing it for money is doing it for my own personal gains. Plus Hooker my job is a little more fucked up than most people's.

Next time you get hit in the face with the severed hand of someone who you were just chatting with, you can judge me.

[Megamickel]

Puppy's a dog.
Dogs aren't people, so it doesn't affect me morally to shoot it again and again and again.

I'd kill the dog and feel no guilt.

[Hentaispider]

So ideology is a perfectly good reason to kill somebody. Hey, if not for that, there would have been a lot less wars, which would be bad for...the industry? Well, that's okay, then.

[DarkFire1004]

Next time you get hit in the face with the severed hand of someone who you were just chatting with, you can judge me.

Wait, that seriously happened?

[Sinfulwolf]

Wait, that seriously happened?

Yes. Not sure if the limb was Canadian or Afghani

[Kusanagi]

Well, at least it was just a severed hand. God knows what other severed body parts could hit you.

[Sinfulwolf]

The hand was one of the few identifiable parts.

[Penguin]

Awww, that is the cutest puppy ever!

As for the question, I'm not sure. Logically, I know I could do a great deal of good (especially for myself!) with that kind of money, much more than the life of one puppy could effect the world, one way or the other.

However, that puppy is so cute and innocent, I don't think I could make myself go through with it. Could I maybe just push a button, to remotely detonate the puppy? So I wouldn't have to do it face-to-face?

[Shrike7]

/me ponders this remote-detonating puppy for a moment, looking at a politicians face on the news...

"nah, they're too heartless, it would never work"

[cross_grave]

Wait. Kill a puppy for $1,000,000?

Hell yes. I'd even laugh if it was necessary to get that money.

[Gatorbait]

Sad how little puppy love there is with you people... :(

[cross_grave]

I like to think that my sig describes me quite well.

[Momiji]

I like to think that my sig describes me quite well.
What quiz did you take to get it?

[cross_grave]

http://www.wizards.com/magic/playmagic/whatcolorareyou.asp

It's quite simple.

[Hentaispider]

That link doesn't work.

[cross_grave]

Try now.

[Bob]

depends, if i was payed up front, what kind of dog, and, most importantly, as long as it's not my rocky, but probobly.

[Rule 34]

No, because your dollar isn't worth much over here.

[lurker]

I got one about the guy askin' you to kill the doggie:

"Are you kidding? I kill you for a Klondike Bar."

[Momiji]

I got one about the guy askin' you to kill the doggie:

"Are you kidding? I kill you for a Klondike Bar."

Achmed the Dead Terrorist, anyone?

[Sinfulwolf]

"Where's our sun"
"Over there, over there, and up there,"

[DisTaintedKitten]

I would NEVER kill a puppy, for any amount of money.

[Rule 34]

If you don't stop thread necromancing I might just have to kill a kitten though. . .

[Incubus]

Yes.

For me, it almost is a case of killing for survival, I'm clawing for every bit of paid work I can get just to pay for food and rent.

[QuirkyQuark]

Looks like I need to find a good 'necro bump' macro.

[Nunu]

stop riding her guys, its the least malicious necroposting ever. either post properly or let this topic die again.

[Rea]

For me I would say 'awww' it's so cute and then kill it. I'd take it to one of those museums that stuff dead animals and put it in my house so I could say 'awww' every day when I'm leaving my mansion.

[Hentaispider]

You'll be hard pressed to find a mansion for million dollars.

Oh, and don't revive threads.

[Nunu]

its not to hard in australia. depending on your definition of the word mansion.

[QuirkyQuark]

A million in a large north American city will get you a decent sized house, but no mansion.

Finally an excuse to use this
http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/picture.php?albumid=94&pictureid=1490

[Nunu]

he who smelt it dealt it.

in other words stop declaring necro bump every god damn time you see one after four other people have posted. we know its a necropost, i gave her a title, everyone else has declared its a necro post. just let it die again if you dont have anything to say.

this is starting to piss me off.

[Momiji]

he who smelt it dealt it.

in other words stop declaring necro bump every god damn time you see one after four other people have posted. we know its a necropost, i gave her a title, everyone else has declared its a necro post. just let it die again if you dont have anything to say.

this is starting to piss me off.

Fucking THIS.

[Master_Bei_Shun]

I missed this topic...

Honestly, though... The money wouldn't matter...

You leave me in a room, hungry, with a yapping pup or dog for that matter, and you'll come back to find something grisly...

And me burping...

Dog = Survival Rations

[Pheonix Alugere]

*Growls angrily at MBS*

[Obeliskos]

WHAT ARE YOU A FUCKING DOG

I like this thread

[ToxicShock]

Hey, I growl at people

[Master_Bei_Shun]

Yea?

And I say both Toxic and Pheonix sound like they taste good with a bit of BBQ sause roasted over a spit...

[ToxicShock]

Chopper! Sick balls!

[Kusanagi]

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/11/10/128708321706673710.jpg

[Hopeyouguess62]

Those of you who would kill the puppy: would it change your actions if the deal required you to torture the dog for a few days first?

Revised deal: Torture the puppy with extreme malice for a few days, killing it at the end, and you receive $1,000,000 free of consequence and completely anonymous.

[Master_Bei_Shun]

Easy, if it vibrates when it barks.

Its a RAT, kill it!

If its big enough to draw blood when it bites.

Its a threat, KILL it!

The extra torment time is just practice for what I'd do to extort MOAR CASH out of the demented sick fuck whos paying me, see how long his family, friends, or even himself lasts when I get ahold of em...

[Hentaispider]

Those of you who would kill the puppy: would it change your actions if the deal required you to torture the dog for a few days first?

Revised deal: Torture the puppy with extreme malice for a few days, killing it at the end, and you receive $1,000,000 free of consequence and completely anonymous.

Yes. FOR SCIENCE!

[Zoto]

well, seeing as i have a violent bestiality/necro fetish, i would probably kill it. but after that oooh and after some oooh i would give the remains to the 10 year old hobo down the street and told him the white stuff was liquid heroin. then i would charge him for it after he ate it, im not for free after all.

[Pale]

In response to the original question..? I'm not sure I'd pay that much for the privilege.

For the second, well, fuck. I wish you'd told me about this deal -last- week....

P

[Sinfulwolf]

Those of you who would kill the puppy: would it change your actions if the deal required you to torture the dog for a few days first?

Revised deal: Torture the puppy with extreme malice for a few days, killing it at the end, and you receive $1,000,000 free of consequence and completely anonymous.

I'd have to say no. I'm not a believer in torturing at all, so to do it needlessly just seems wrong to me on so many levels.

[Hopeyouguess62]

Revised deal: Torture the puppy with extreme malice for a few days, killing it at the end, and you receive $1,000,000 free of consequence and completely anonymous.

I proposed this deal when my mind took a morbid twist, but I have to say that, in my own self-interest, I would neither kill nor torture the puppy for the money.

There is a difference between killing in support of one's country (and, in doing so, indirectly defending one's friends and family) and destroying what one must assume to be an innocent life, while not under lawful orders to do so.

One cannot overestimate the importance of receiving lawful orders to kill. It allows the killer to spread the responsibility for the death to a proper authority, instead of having the blame focused entirely inward. The same can be said for physical distance (firing missiles is easier than sniping, which is easier than close-distance shooting, which is easier than hand-to-hand killing) and mechanical distance (computer-directed weapon easier than rifle, rifle easier than throwing knife, and so on). It also helps to have colleagues doing the same work as you (spreading responsibility for the killing among members of your unit).

In addition, military members generally then return home to a (hopefully) grateful country, and to friends and family who applaud the sacrifices made by the service member. The better military organizations help their veterans integrate themselves back into society with veteran's groups, counseling, education, scholarships and job placement programs.

If someone independently kills this puppy at point-blank range with a gun, they will have the money, but I cannot believe that most could do so without also having nightmares and even guilty daydreams. It would tear at a normal person's psyche. To go further and torture the animal would inflict more self-destruction than most humans could bear, let along shrug off.

I could allow the puppy to die, if I didn't have to participate or witness its demise. Cuter animals have died to provide me with breakfast. I cannot say that it is a moral or ethical consideration that would stay my hand.

Rather it is a selfish motivation, a need to be able to sleep at night with a relatively unscathed emotional well-being.

[Master_Bei_Shun]

I kill for food and protection, but thats just animals...

Humans on the other hand...

Those fucks had it coming...

[Shadow the Fallen]

Those of you who would kill the puppy: would it change your actions if the deal required you to torture the dog for a few days first?

Revised deal: Torture the puppy with extreme malice for a few days, killing it at the end, and you receive $1,000,000 free of consequence and completely anonymous.

I would be able to kill the puppy in a no rules kind of inviroment ware I didn't have to Listen to its cries or kill it so fast it didn't make any noise...

However I will admit I value animal life more then I do human life so I would not be able to murder a puppy for 1 mil However for 500,000 I will gladly Torture and butcher my fellow man.