Would you survive?

[xivvix]

Since zombies seem to be pretty popular on the board right now, I thought everyone might enjoy this.

The Outbreak (http://www.survivetheoutbreak.com/)

[Lumarin]

Since zombies seem to be pretty popular on the board right now, I thought everyone might enjoy this.

The Outbreak (http://www.survivetheoutbreak.com/)

Oh god, I remember this worthless thing. Choices that would actually be good, logical choices in reality actually cause your eventual demise, no matter what you do. All in all, this thing gets a 2/5 from me because although it looks cool, it wouldn't be applicable.

[Tassadar]

I wish they'd give us smarter people to guide through undead uprisings one of these days. Having to work with people that stupid makes me want them to die. I hate that there isn't a "close the door on his dumb ass" option for when the retard hits the girl with a baseball bat and charges out the door.

[dmronny]

Yeah you are stuck with idiots in that. Not that it effects my zombie outbreak plan anyways. My plan is to become a zombie as quickly as possible, and become their leader leading the zombies to victory over humanity.

[QuirkyQuark]

Argg. They're all morons, I'd of killed them all in the first 5 minutes of the zombie apocalypse.
On another point. Who the fuck chooses guns for a situation like this? This is what machetes and katanas are for!

[lurker]

And chainsaws.

[dmronny]

Or you could try to trick them and just begin eating people before the zombies have you.

[QuirkyQuark]

No, chainsaws need fuel. Blades are the gift that keep on giving!

Edit: Unless you found some way to power a chainsaw with zombie parts.

[Sinfulwolf]

Well, the program isn't working for me, but I do know how to kill zombies, and know I could get a head shot at 500 m with a standard issue C7 assault rifle. And blades? Why is every so obsessed with blades. In a swarm where the undead are grabbing and pulling, you would not be able to properly use a blade, or chainsaw. Its a good backup weapon, but once your surrounded, you are fucked... and surrounded is the most common way you'd be fighting with melee.

I'd prefer to stick with my section, use our rifles, grenades, rocket launchers, and machine guns to stay alive.

[dmronny]

No, don't do it join my zombie army instead. You get to eat the brains of everyone who's ever annoyed you. Seriously or less seriously depending how you look at it, melee is definately not the way to go with zombies.

[Sinfulwolf]

Melee is good for stories as its entertaining, but in real life, wouldn't actually work well... and I'll only join your zombie army if I can still look sexy. I don't the whole rotting skin bit...

[lurker]

True dat. Left 4 Dead and Blockland's Zombie mod is a good example of this.

[dmronny]

No problem I'll just get rid of the whole rotting skin bit, a little too cliche anyways. Though I'm sure you'd still be sexy even with the rotting skin and all.

The whole problem with melee and zombies is eventually you'll get too tired and the zombies won't.

[lurker]

I could always go for a witch, minus the whole 'disturb me and you die' thing.

But yeah, the dead-looking zombie is overated

[Sinfulwolf]

So... I become a sexy looking zombie, and second in command of your undead legions?

[lurker]

A good undead army could always use a necromancer for maitenence! And thus, I could apply for that, yes?

[Treebeard]

http://www.weregeek.com/2008/12/01/

I point you all to this.

[QuirkyQuark]

Why is every so obsessed with blades
Not obsessed, just don't like guns as continuous murder resource. Depending on how many zombies there are and how many finite bullets you can haul around with you, your going to run out somewhere between really quickly and quite soon.

[dmronny]

Check Sinful gets second-in-command and Lurker gets head of zombie maintenance. Pardon me while I laugh evilly now. Muahahahahahahahahaha attack my legions of zombies muahahahahaha.

[Sinfulwolf]

I carry 15 mags with 30 rounds each on me. That's 450 bullets, and I've still got plenty of strength for more, especially when I start dropping kit that's unnecessary in a zombie outbreak. That's a lot of fucking bullets. Like I said, melee is a backup, but if your fighting a horde big enough that 450 bullets don't cut it, then a) stupid you for going alone, b) stupid you for fighting a horde that big rather than running.

My two cents

[lurker]

Or C. Smart Zombie

Ok, well, to start off, I need as many spare zombies as I can so I can strengthen our forces by mutation and experimentation!

[Treebeard]

Ready and Mrrh-ing!

[Sinfulwolf]

Well, now that I'm the sexy undead second-in-command, I get the elite legion of zombies. Hehehe.

[lurker]

The elites all serve the higher ups, no worries- *skull helmet falls over eyes* aw bugger...

[dmronny]

It's even better than you guys think my zombie hordes go to battle in hover tanks. Muahahahaha now they'll never stop us hehehe hohoho hahaha.

[Sinfulwolf]

Of course they serve you... but there's got to be some perks to second-in-command, so they my special division.

[lurker]

No worries. Lashers go to the female higher ups >:3

*struggles with hat* damn helmet...

[dmronny]

Hmm, alright you can have the zombie werewolf division, and they're allies the zombie dogs with bees in their mouths so that when they bark they shoot bees at you.

[Kaz]

I am ready, I have food for a year in the house and I got swords.

[Lumarin]

I carry 15 mags with 30 rounds each on me. That's 450 bullets, and I've still got plenty of strength for more, especially when I start dropping kit that's unnecessary in a zombie outbreak. That's a lot of fucking bullets. Like I said, melee is a backup, but if your fighting a horde big enough that 450 bullets don't cut it, then a) stupid you for going alone, b) stupid you for fighting a horde that big rather than running.

My two cents

Agreed, rifles are the best bet, and it's easy to carry large quantities of ammunition such that you should be generally safe. That, in addition to a bike, will allow you to be mobile and powerful, even when others lose their transportation due to loss of fuel/exhaustion from running.

If a zombie invasion occurred, I'd carry a rifle(Semi-auto, aim for the heads, don't want to waste any ammo with an automatic.), around 200+ bullets, 2 gallons of water, a backup weapon, and some snack food while riding around on a bike. The bike will grant you speed so that you can flee far away if you see a very large group of zeds, or if your city is entirely over run with them, while the rifle can be used to clear a store from a bit away for your search for supplies to stock up on.

As a backup weapon though, I'd likely go for a crowbar or some kind of axe, as those would be useful as tools as well as weapons in a tight situation and could be used to break locks where I don't have the time to pick them.

[lurker]

By the way, what is your guy's view if the zombie invasion included rape? I think that's a side effect of my tinkerage on the lesser strains...

*is groped by a wraith* Oh god that's cold...

[Sinfulwolf]

As a survivor - Carry my tactical vest, my C7-A2 with either the C79 optical sight, or an EOtech sight, and a forward grip, and a sure fire, and possibly a PAK 4. Then, I'd have my MNVGs, spare batteries, my 15 mags, my camel back full of water, my bayonette, an axe (better than machete because its easier to crush the skull and hence destroy the brain), my TCCC leg bad, few grenades, possibly a shotgun with a few slugs for blowing open doors... and zombie heads. Uhm... that's it for on foot, that's fairly heavy but I'm dropping some shit that I carry in real life.

As the zombie second-in-command... A sword. :P

And if rape is involved... well then... as the second-in-command I would have a personal harem that was only slightly small than the zombie king's.

[Tassadar]

I concur with the idea that rifles > melee weapons in a zombie outbreak. Just set it to semi-automatic so as not to waste ammunition. Personally I'd prefer an Israeli Galil, since they fire the same type of ammunition as the M16 which is much easier to find compared to 7.62 in the US, but aren't horribly unreliable like anything in the M series. If that's unavailable, just give me a .22, never run out of ammo, it's so easy to find in the US and so light carrying vast amounts of it is easy. For melee just give me a trench knife, stabs through bone like tissue paper if you use it right, and takes half the energy of a sword and has no risk of turning on you like a chainsaw, plus it's light, easy to use in close quarters that would make it impossible to swing a sword or machete, and much faster to draw. The rest of my equipment would depend entirely on what I was trying to do (fortify, run, find other people, or eliminate the undead.) though I'd also like some kind of handgun, preferably 9mm as it's also easy to find here, and a lot of the newer police issue 9mm pistols have 14+ magazines because they have to compete with what criminals use.

That's another problem in a zombie apocalypse, other survivors that decide it's okay to turn bandit now that there's no one to stop them. Like the end of the original Dawn of the Dead, if anyone else has seen it.

[Unknown Squid]

Agreed, rifles are the best bet, and it's easy to carry large quantities of ammunition such that you should be generally safe. That, in addition to a bike, will allow you to be mobile and powerful, even when others lose their transportation due to loss of fuel/exhaustion from running.

If a zombie invasion occurred, I'd carry a rifle(Semi-auto, aim for the heads, don't want to waste any ammo with an automatic.), around 200+ bullets, 2 gallons of water, a backup weapon, and some snack food while riding around on a bike. The bike will grant you speed so that you can flee far away if you see a very large group of zeds, or if your city is entirely over run with them, while the rifle can be used to clear a store from a bit away for your search for supplies to stock up on.

As a backup weapon though, I'd likely go for a crowbar or some kind of axe, as those would be useful as tools as well as weapons in a tight situation and could be used to break locks where I don't have the time to pick them.


I was starting to think no one else had read the Zombie Survival Guide. Or are you just a straight thinker?

Though personally I don't go with all this talk of cars are useless due to fuel. Well, depending on the car at least. I know that on average America uses 1.7 the amount of fuel per car other countries use. But anyway, find a good car, fill it up and carry an extra tanks worth in the boot. A bicycle in the back seat, unless you have friends, though they could do the same and have a convoy. You will have at least a days worth of straight driving, and it's not as if fuel is hard to find is it? In the time it takes a horde to catch up that 10 miles to that remote gas station you carefully cleaned out earlier you could refill a hundred times, clean your weapons, reinforce your ride again, and do whatever. All whilst grabbing a snack and last weeks newspaper.

A car allows to carry all the ammo you can find rather than leave it behind and risk running low latter on. And unlike in the movies, a car doing 60 is not an easy thing to simply grab onto, nor do doors and windows fall off like tissue paper. If you can find a vehicle with genuine off-roading abilities not even the densest horde will stop you crushing hundreds in each charge. Otherwise choose a good blend of fuel economy to power ratio, and have a friend shoot while you pull up every 200 meters. If it comes to it, you can always ditch the thing and take your bike. Or, find another of the millions of cars infesting our planet. I seriously doubt the zombies are going to have the foresight to take their keys with them when they leave home. People put them in obvious places. Stay mobile, stay versatile, stay alive.

And don't listen to em Sinful, we need people like you. Zombies cannot bake cookies. We have cookies.

[Pheonix Alugere]

I was starting to think no one else had read the Zombie Survival Guide. Or are you just a straight thinker?

Though personally I don't go with all this talk of cars are useless due to fuel. Well, depending on the car at least. I know that on average America uses 1.7 the amount of fuel per car other countries use. But anyway, find a good car, fill it up and carry an extra tanks worth in the boot. A bicycle in the back seat, unless you have friends, though they could do the same and have a convoy. You will have at least a days worth of straight driving, and it's not as if fuel is hard to find is it? In the time it takes a horde to catch up that 10 miles to that remote gas station you carefully cleaned out earlier you could refill a hundred times, clean your weapons, reinforce your ride again, and do whatever. All whilst grabbing a snack and last weeks newspaper.

A car allows to carry all the ammo you can find rather than leave it behind and risk running low latter on. And unlike in the movies, a car doing 60 is not an easy thing to simply grab onto, nor do doors and windows fall off like tissue paper. If you can find a vehicle with genuine off-roading abilities not even the densest horde will stop you crushing hundreds in each charge. Otherwise choose a good blend of fuel economy to power ratio, and have a friend shoot while you pull up every 200 meters. If it comes to it, you can always ditch the thing and take your bike. Or, find another of the millions of cars infesting our planet. I seriously doubt the zombies are going to have the foresight to take their keys with them when they leave home. People put them in obvious places. Stay mobile, stay versatile, stay alive.

And don't listen to em Sinful, we need people like you. Zombies cannot bake cookies. We have cookies.
Not to burst your vehicular bubble, but not everyone will have super-filled their cars with gas. Likely you will have all the streets filled with empty cars. Also, their is no gaurantee that an infected person didn't get ahead of you before dying and starting up a new horde at your secluded gas station.

One thing on chainsaws however. Depending on what type of zombie you are talking about, if you are dealing with zombies created by a virus, using a chainsaw would cover you in their fluids and therefore almost certainly infect you. In other words, chainsaws are tantamount to suicide against any sort of infectious zombie. Only use chainsaws against magically animated undead.

[Obeliskos]

Beat it in, like, 5 minutes. Way too easy.
The bottom right shows how to win (http://i36.tinypic.com/2lo6d6o.png)

But yeah, the people in this game are fucking stupid.


"Durr, let's hit the chick and attack the zombies with a bat!"
"LOL LET'S DRIVE EVEN THOUGH THERE ARE ZOMBIES EVERYWHERE OMFG ROFL"
"oh noes i br0ke mah leg falin down stairs dont leeve com bak!"

[XSI]

What kind of idiots are they? when that guy went outside, I wanted the thing to pause and ask me if I wanted to close the door on him.

And come on? Going to go drive by yourself, in the middle of the night, right through a zombie horde? How did he even survive long enough to be in this flash thingy?

I survived, after a few tries, at first I died a few times(Because I assumed the others weren't stupid, and thought they actually knew not to go off by themselves like any idiot would know)

After that, well, fuck them, evolution at work.

[dmronny]

If for some reason I decided to try and survive the outbreak, I like Tassadar's ideas for equipment regarding ammo. Though to be honest the M series isn't that unreliable, my M-4 never jammed once while I was in Iraq. As long as take proper care of it it's fine. For melee I would probaly take my Marine bowie and a hatchet because they have many uses outside of fighting, plus I know how to use them if I end up having to fight with them. Not sure on vehicles, but I would probably use one as long as possible. Wouldn't waste my life for it though. Considering the armament I already have in my house i would be fairly set.

However since I plan on leading the zombies, none of that matters. We have cookies as well despite what Squid has tried to convince you of. I baked them myself. Now come on join my zombie army, you know you want to.

[Sinfulwolf]

Currently I'm in a bit of a debacle, join Ronny and the horde as Queen... or become a survivor with people who may or may not listen to me. So far the undead are doing a better job of luring me in.

My C7 (very similar to an M-16) hasn't jammed yet here in Afghanistan, so I'd take that. Very simple to use, simple to maintain, and lots of the 5.56mm rounds about. For a sidearm, the hi-powered browning, just because that's the pistol I have the most experience in, and its a 9mm. Though a Sig-sauer would be nice too... just not a glock.

Anyway

[Newbie]

I'd rather lead humanity and repopulate the earth. It seems like more fun, more of a challenge.

[Sinfulwolf]

intresting perception Newbie... still not entirely convinced though. Especially if I have a personal harem...

[Newbie]

We'll make it a monarchy. I'll be the human king. You can rule by my side, as equal, and you can have a harem too, as well as whatever we can steal from the zombies! With proper training and organization, defense of a small colony wouldn't be a problem at all.

[Sinfulwolf]

This is an intresting proposition Newbie... however, how can I guarantee that the people would listen to us. I've had too many bad experiences with people ignoring my advice based off what I know. The fact that the souless legions of the dead under me would listen because I own them... that's a big draw.

[ToxicShock]

Haha, there's a big joke with my friends that I'd be the type of asshole who would try to keep spirits alive in that situation with all the wrong ideas.
The joke is that I suggest we still celebrate holidays, and then dress up as a zombie for Halloween, wandering the surviving shelter moaning.

We also joke that people always assume the outbreak would happen in their own town but that's unrealistic. So we decided that, besides our own plans on how to escape a zombie outbreak near us, we also have a plan of taking a roadtrip a few states over if we hear of a zombie outbreak happening there.
You know how the saying goes, "The hardest part of a zombie apocalypse is pretending I'm not excited."

[Newbie]

If you cannot rule through reason, rule through fear. After you shoot a couple of troublemakers I'm pretty sure every one else will fall in line. Also, in this situation I'm pretty sure many people would be looking for leaders, as they'd be too terrified to find their ass with both hands and a map. Makes assuming control much easier.

[Sinfulwolf]

This is truth Newbie... however, I'm not one to be shooting a few trouble makers unless its absolutely necessary. Plus, if I started shooting people, only a matter of time before someone decides to off me cause they think they can do a better job.

[lurker]

We should so do an RP on this >,>

[Newbie]

True. Hmmm....

Okay, assume control of a small faction early on, gain their loyalty. As your party grows, the loyal faction will grow. Since it will still be about survival, any dissenters will be free to leave the group and see where that takes them. By the time you get to setting up a colony or somesuch, we have a relatively small group of leaders, and a large group of followers. The leaders may need to be persuaded to put you and I in control, but will be put in charge of important stuff like supplies, guards, medicine, search and rescue, etc, so they stay motivated and on our side.

Also: Can't you do both? You kinda have to die to become the zed queen anyway, so why not try your hand at ruling people first? If it goes sour, run into the wilderness and don't look back.

[ZeroSpace]

I'd join the colony. If no stupid people opens the gate for zombies we'd all live... for a while. But we would still need to worry about a lot of stuff. Like what would the zombies react to? If it's life, we'd be surrounded, if it's noise, we'll be surrounded, if it's some other thing, I dunno. But a group of people needs a lot of things, things like food(we can grow some), water (Dunno about this...), ammo/self defense, and pretty damn sturdy wall if we are gonna keep zombies at bay. So my advise is to get a group, find a good car, load up on fuel/ammo food, etc. And get to safe zones(if there are any), and then later on to the sea(isolated islands, etc.). For weapons... depending on where you are the gun that uses the most common ammo would be the one you need, and we'll need close combat to keep zombies at bay, a stick or something would be great since we don't need to kill zombies, we need to keep them away so we can run, so something long would do wonders then chopping heads off with a sword. and...uh... if someone were to be bitten and isn't in a bad shape I'll take them along until they turn 'violent'. And I'd make sure no one would freak out if I was in a group, and if I was alone... I'd be screwed, but I am sure there would be people around me, I am a people person. hm... as for the zombie party... Zombies can't really taste stuff... so you are better off with humans cause Zombies can't have sex, eat, they're fucking dead, no social, and won't shoot the nearest danger in front of you, no emotions, you'd be eating people you should be protecting, can't use tools, bad mobility (have fun dragging that broken leg of yours), they are not sturdy(since everything should be rotting and technically no muscles), and to maintain a sexy body as a zombie would require you to have a good diet but eating meat and drinking blood doesn't really work, so have fun trying to be sexy. Hm... what else can i say... oh yeah, read a manga call 'Highschool of the dead' really good since it makes certain sense.

[Tassadar]

If for some reason I decided to try and survive the outbreak, I like Tassadar's ideas for equipment regarding ammo. Though to be honest the M series isn't that unreliable, my M-4 never jammed once while I was in Iraq. As long as take proper care of it it's fine. For melee I would probaly take my Marine bowie and a hatchet because they have many uses outside of fighting, plus I know how to use them if I end up having to fight with them. Not sure on vehicles, but I would probably use one as long as possible. Wouldn't waste my life for it though. Considering the armament I already have in my house i would be fairly set.

However since I plan on leading the zombies, none of that matters. We have cookies as well despite what Squid has tried to convince you of. I baked them myself. Now come on join my zombie army, you know you want to.

I was speaking comparatively, and the M4 has the best record, that I know of at any rate, of the recent M series rifles. I wouldn't hate them so much if you didn't need to be so ginger with them to keep them from getting jammed up from the environment, while I can take an AK47 built in the 60's, bury it in sand, then dig it up and fire it like nothing happened. I've actually seen the results of an experiment to test that, and watched them bring up the rifles and fire them, all guaranteed made before 1970. Also, on the off chance that you do get an AK to jam, you can fix it with your hands while you need a tool to fix the M16. Not sure about the M4, having never used one.

See, I have a bowie, but I'd rather have a trench knife simply because they're meant specifically to go through the skull, while bowies are often jagged and can get caught when stabbing with them (this is on purpose, it's meant to gut a target in one stab.) Though I imagine you'd be using it for utility rather than combat against undead since you have a hatchet.

[Unknown Squid]

Not to burst your vehicular bubble, but not everyone will have super-filled their cars with gas. Likely you will have all the streets filled with empty cars. Also, their is no gaurantee that an infected person didn't get ahead of you before dying and starting up a new horde at your secluded gas station.
I dunno, I think there's plenty left in this bubble.

The cars don't need to be super filled. Half a tank will keep you going for several hours. If I had to shell out £50 every other day, I'd rather walk the 20 miles to work. And with that, I can think of about 10 local gas stations all within an hours drive. If we average each one at currently being at half capacity, their reserves will hold enough fuel for months. Siphon the tank off any truck you find and your full too. Take the bits hanging about in random cars scattered about. The zombies simply will not be able to cover every square meter of the country side. And how big can a horde at this gas station be? At anyone time your going to have between 1 and 3 staff, maybe up to 10 customers at busy times of the day. Any of these are more likely to be victims while hiding at home. If people were copying my ideas and failing, then that's still only going to be 10 or so more zombies. In the case of an urban horde roaming, turn around and find one of the other 100 stations in range. Either crowbar the fuel cap off to siphon or whack a hole in the tank and catch it in a bottle. The developed world is drenched in fuel. If you assume 90% of the population is gone, that's going to be a hell of a lot of fuel you can help yourself to.

And lastly, why would the streets be filled with empty cars? It's not as if the moment the outbreak occurs everyone's going to jump out or zombifie at the steering wheel. In most cases, the streets would be the clearest they'd ever been since they were built. Provided you don't start driving recklessly, you'd be fine. And even in an unlikely grid locked city road, there's always the pavements.

I'm not a car nut or anything in the slightest, it's just I don't agree with the apparently established view that touching a car in a zombie outbreak equals instant death, or that you'll instantly careen into a conveniently zombie surrounded tree for no reason. The other bonuses are numerous. include saving personal energy, carrying food supplies that could be much harder to come by in latter days, good mobile shelter with something soft to lie on (preferably with a buddy for lookout duty), a power source for recharging various portable tools and items, a cigarette lighter will give you an easy camp/signal fire, lights and horn can be used (carefully) to signal to rescue/survivors, a radio for monitoring for instructions, sos calls, or any other organised survivor groups.

And if the need arises, you can leave the thing and you are still better off than anyone who had been wearing themselves down by hiking and camping rough for the last few days/weeks. You can find a new car anywhere, and upgrade to more suited transport as you find it.

Oh yeah, and ever seen a brainless hoodie try to break a car window without a tool of some kind? It's hilarious.

[ZeroSpace]

Lol seriously, beat your hand at the windshield of a car going 40mph and I'd assure you that it'd hurt. And even if a gas station IS littered with zombies can't you just do something like find another one? But I do think that Cars would be littered everywhere only they'd be damaged since people could be trying to avoid things(people, zombies, etc.) and they'd crash into other things (people, zombies, cars, etc.) So it would be hard to find a good working car, not to mention even if you do find a car, you will need a key unless you are trained to hotwire it. But if your car is low on gas, gas stations nearby is zombie home, you'd have little choices such as: Run them over, lure them away, run away, muilti tesk, try to clear them out. And after all that (if you haven't lured in more/dead) You can finally refuel(get some spare gas), probably go in a K-mart or something and grab a bit or two, water,etc. And be on your way. A team would make this a bit easier, but it would need to be organized.

[Unknown Squid]

If everyone went out in their cars at the first sign of zombies and crashed, there would be very few people left to become zombies. There would still be an abundance of working vehicles. Keys are the main issue, since hotwiring is neither a skill I nor most possess, and is increasingly difficult/impossible in new cars. Plus the risk of a stall in a hot wired car would mean a frantic and risky attempt at restarting it, possibly resulting in unwanted zomb glomping. The best place I can imagine for key with matching cars would be village or country homes, where you can find the smallest concentrations of zombies and hopefully acquire a ride before attracting too much attention. Again, careful selection and appraisal of risks is paramount. Another possible source is a surprisingly obvious one. A car dealership. If you have guns there is absolutely nothing stopping you blowing away the key cabinet locks and making a swift getaway. A decent estimation of how many zombies are in the local area is important. In all it shouldn't take more than 10 minutes to spring a vehicle and get out before too many start homing in on the noise. If not, move on and don't risk it. Also if your car is low on fuel, your doing something wrong. By half tank I'd stop somewhere to fill up from the spare in the boot, and then fill those up at the next good opportunity. As said above, fuel shouldn't be hard to come by.

[aika]

I'm totally missing the reason why being in a car is a bad thing.

It's like a mobile fortress if you lock the doors. And if you have the lights off, you can hide pretty well.

Just fill the back seat with food and drink and you're set for ages.

If a zombie comes, run them the fuck over.

[Hopeyouguess62]

I'd take whoever would come with me and clear off a small island, maybe something like Little Tall Island in Maine (Dolores Clairborne, anyone?) with a small population.

After clearing the island off (pick a SMALL island so you be reasonably sure the job is done), set up watchtowers. Then I'd revert to one of the oldest forms of transportation: boats. We'd replenish our supplies with coastal raids. It's very hard for zombies to ambush a boat, as I've never seen one swim into the ocean in search of prey. Providing you made your raids in broad daylight and coming from a direction that didn't reveal your origins, you could do so with some amount of safety.

The island would become host to a large fortification, but preferably the island chosen would be one that would act as natural camouflage for one's operations.

For these raids, you'd probably take your boat (or fleet) directly south from the island in the hours before dawn, then at dawn take the boat directly west towards your target. The sun would shine directly in the eyes of any zombies in your path, while revealing your targets extremely well. You could perform any size of raid and then retreat in the daylight in the same direction. Make a few turns to misdirect any would-be followers and then return to the island fortress.

Oh, and for obvious reasons, you'd almost never want to hit the same coastal target twice, or in any logical order.

I'd want fuel, boats and weapons to start with, as well as people who knew how to use all three. Our first raid would target a small coastal town with poor roads and a library, a gun shop, a hardware store and a dock (for learning materials, weapons, supplies and boats). I'd try to find books on or even an expert on lobster traps, since you could probably survive off lobster by collecting and replacing lobster traps off the coast. This would keep you eating for a long time with minimal risk. Fuel and water would be my major long-term concerns, hence the local raids. Hopefully I'd find something in the books to help me figure out the water issue.

[Rule 34]

Flame thrower.
Burned muscles don't work, burned organs fail. Noses, eyes and ears cease to function (because they're burned away). Even if the zombie survives it's not going to be able to hunt.

Doesn't even have to be a flame thrower. Molotov's will probably get the job done. All you need is a glass bottle, a rag and gas.

[Hopeyouguess62]

Flame thrower.
Burned muscles don't work, burned organs fail. Noses, eyes and ears cease to function (because they're burned away). Even if the zombie survives it's not going to be able to hunt.

Doesn't even have to be a flame thrower. Molotov's will probably get the job done. All you need is a glass bottle, a rag and gas.

Just promise me you'll never use these if we end up raiding a fuel station or weapons depot? :-)

[Rule 34]

I can try. But I probably won't survive anyway. The firearm laws in Germany are pretty tight.

[Hopeyouguess62]

You might consider brushing up on your archery skills. Hopefully they let you use a bow and arrow over there?

Actually a trained archer would be a HELL of an asset, I think.

[Rule 34]

... Well, what do you know. It's considered sports equipment and as such is not outlawed for civilists.

[Hopeyouguess62]

I could use a representative from Germania on my island. We need people, and I can promise you opportunities to use your molotov cocktails. Plus we don't have strict gun laws here, especially as I'll be coming up from the South.

[Sinfulwolf]

Okay, well Zero Space is trying to suck away my fun. In all seriousness I would fight my fucking hardest to keep myself and my family/friends alive, but since I'm on this forum I don't mind having a little bit of fun and stretching to fantasy a bit.

Rule, flamethrowers/molotovs are good for the long run, but since it takes a bit of time to eat away at flesh, the zombies still have some time to stumble after you and perhaps even set you on fire as well.

HopeyouGuess, if you read Dead Sea, coast seems less friendly. A lot less friendly. (Dead Sea is a zombie novel by Brian Keene, quite good)

Tassadar, again to bring up the C7, most stoppages can be corrected without the need for a tool within less than a second. Quite simple really. Tap rack and go, right Ronny?

[Newbie]

Island setup is good if you have time. Zombies don't need to breath, so they can still come up on you from underwater. It may be more dangerous if you have the lobster traps, because they'd be harder to see. Otherwise, you'd be more secure in the midwest with the same set up. Snipers/archers/guards would be able to see zeds from a long way off on flat land, allowing for easier defense. Or up north, so they freeze before they get to you.

[Rule 34]

All of this depends on the type of zombie. Would they be smart enough to know how to swim? Or would they be just swept away and eaten by sharks? Would we then have to deal with zombie sharks?

[Caulder]

I'd like to join you on your island. I'd bring my jarhead brother and some military-grade explosives that my brother........erm......."Acquires" from the military, then bring them all there. Plus, I'd be the lone guy on the watchtower, ready to yell that the zombies are there. Also, I'd bring Rule all the Molotov ammo he could ever need. Raiding a liquor store ftw

[Hopeyouguess62]

Well now... if zombies could spread their... zombiness... to other organisms, like dogs, cats, mice, fish, birds and so on, we're truly fucked no matter what we do. How are you going to avoid the zombie flies and zombie micro-organisms? Ya can't. You're fucked. The minute you get the zombie flu it's game over, man, game over.

The second prevalent issue is zombie putrefication. Zombies are classified as undead and normally portrayed as decaying, shambling beings, which would suggest to me that while able to consume human flesh and whatnot, they are biodegradable. Like any non-walking corpse, a walking corpse would putrefy, which from what I understand would prevent it from sinking in water. Skeletons are stuck on the ocean floor, zombies it seems are stuck on the surface, unless you state that your cool new brand of zombies do NOT in fact putrefy.

Third question is, why would a zombie swim? They'd presumably have plenty of things to do on land (i.e. shamble, moan, eat brains) and I've never heard of a zombie deciding it's time for a pleasure swim. Not being able to sink in water would prevent them from developing a taste for seafood, as well. So really, your zombie would have to learn to swim effectively to reach the island AND would have to decide it was so bored on land, it wanted to try swimming for a change. I don't know of too many mindless zombies that decide to try something new.

Throw some razor fences around that island and it honestly looks pretty good for at least temporary relief, unless you get some manner of intelligent undead that grows wise to your plan. Enter dmronny and sinfulwolf. If they come for us, we're probably fucked anyway.

But we'll take anybody who wants to sign on and who is willing to obey orders. :-)

[dogstile]

i'll just stay in britain, head up to london

they have more guns there then the us, chinese, korean and middle eastern army in one place :D

[lurker]

*Ahem* you forgot my experiments, right? I can make them smart, I can make them fast, I can make them leap a house and explode on the other side if I stuff a firecracker up it's ass. Heck, I daresay you'd have the ocasional 'smart' zombie in the batch too.

[dmronny]

See the problem is we don't really know how zombies would actually be, in the movies they're mindless, shambling creatures who eat flesh. If a zombie outbreak did occur, depending on the cause it may just be a step up in evolution. We could possibly be able to learn, move quickly, swim, and eat other things besides humans. In short we aren't neccesarily evil like we are always portrayed. Maybe the zombies and humans could learn to get along in a mixed society even. Though considering how well humans get along with each other that's doubtful.

Yeah, in my experience any M series or variants of it are extremely reliable in many conditions. If they required special tools to fix jams, me and every cav/scout in the army would be dead. For example as infantyr Sinful would still have reasonable acces to the weapons repair guys in the support region. As a cav/scout I'm deep in enemy territory I have no access to the support more than likely so if a weapon needs to be fixed by someone with special tools I'm screwed. i would probably go with a hi-power myself for side arm reliable and I already have one. The hatchet/bowie combo is tough to beat in melee. The bowie is for parrying and countering while the hatchet is for disarming or attacking.

[ZeroSpace]

1) Sorry for sucking away your fun sin, just trying to be logical.
2) If there are zombies that WON'T kill humans AND is going for coexist I'd be fine with dat.
3) If they are not, and are somehow upgraded, I am sure I can still deal with them by being in the middle of the pacific ocean or some un discovered island will help me and my group if I have one. And no matter how upgraded your zombies are, they will still be a victim to the elements such as rotting, etc. Which means that as long as we hide where zombies can't get/find us or where it's hard to reach (Like on island) it should be pretty impossible for any rotting thing to fight through currents, pressure, and be able to locate us. Now if it can swim or ride something to get to us, we would be ready for you guys by setting traps, etc.
4) If you make them smart and unrotting, you might as well make them alive and blindly following you guys.

[lurker]

*points at Sarah in Character thread*

I'm gonna try the whole 'pacifist' zombie in Loli's game later on, after I get some more experience and I can, that is. I may still need human flesh, but I'll try to limit it ^,^

[dmronny]

You guy's should have payed attention to the earlier portions of the thread. My zombies ride in hover tanks, thereby making your islands a pretty useless defense.

[ShadowWolfSBI]

Right...Time to side with the humans, and play my trump card.

I'll join the humans, as stated, and bring my crazy engineer of a brother along. They don't call him Hardware for nothing. He knows his shit.

[lurker]

We zombies have the UnHoly Hand Gernade of Antioch. You can't win

[ShadowWolfSBI]

...You have no idea what I mean, do you Lurker? You will learn. Your UHG means nothing compared to what Hardware's come up with, much less what he's capable of coming up with.

[dmronny]

Come on Shadowwolf you know your brother would join the side with the hover tanks. Just to sweeten the deal we the zombies managed to hoard the entire supply of duct tape in the world. Join us or have no duct tape.

[ZeroSpace]

Oh yeah? Well what if I cast my lvl 56 Holy Shield around my island then!?!?!?! And we will built EMP missles towards your hover crafts, not to mention we can just shoot at you guys before you guys get near our island, then since your hovercraft hover, it will hover towards our island with all zombies dead and we will use it against you! And uh... we'll be fine and dandy! (Not to mention the Holy water atomic bomb I have)

[ShadowWolfSBI]

Ah, but what if you've been fooled, Ronny?

What if...you've been toyed with? Perhaps you haven't truly hoarded any duct tape, hm? And besides, what are hover tanks to someone who we both know would have starships? Orbital bombardment capabilities rather render your hover tanks, and UHGs, rather pointless, don't they?

Besides, I know Hardware far better than you. He would side with the humans, even if I did not.

[dmronny]

Silly that holy stuff only works on zombies in D&D. Besides why are you trying to kill us anyways, -sob- I was just trying to send you guy's some cookies, and you killed my zombies for no reason. You monster.

[lurker]

"One... Two... Three!"
"Five sir!"
"Five!"

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Hardtack_Umbrella_nuke.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Castle_Romeo.jpg

[ZeroSpace]

Can he built a giant gundam?

[ZeroSpace]

Five? Five what?
EDIT: Oh crap, sorry for double post.

[ShadowWolfSBI]

Hardware? Given enough time, possibly. Although he'd be far more likely to construct Omnimechs.

[ZeroSpace]

Can he build Death Star???

[ShadowWolfSBI]

...We don't want to know. Trust me on that one. I'm not even going to ask him.

[lurker]

That, my friend, was your island nextdoor. Surrender if you survived, I got a whole wharehouse of these

[dmronny]

Yeah Wolf's right Hardware's not the human I would choose to mess with, of course he could probably figure out how to cure the zombies before anything got out of hand. So this would all be a moot point.

[ZeroSpace]

*Fires one atomic bomb towards your warehouse*
*Prep's anti-air missles*
*readies AA guns*
*Sets auto defense turrents on the beaches*
BRING IT ON~!
*Munches on cookie*

[ShadowWolfSBI]

of course he could probably figure out how to cure the zombies before anything got out of hand. So this would all be a moot point.

Hadn't thought of that, but you're right. At the least, he'd fully contain the outbreak, immunize those uninfected, then surgically remove those beyond saving.

[lurker]

*Creates zombie spy, who saps sentries, uses orbital lazer on nuke*

[ShadowWolfSBI]

Lazing the nuke doesn't really matter. The warehouse was taken out by a full bombardment from the Resolute, anyway.

[ZeroSpace]

*Kills spy*
*Hacks your lazer and attacks you with it*

[lurker]

Spy not sapping your sentry?

*ish ashpile*

[ZeroSpace]

Wootz~!
*remodels Lazer into SHOOT DA WHOOP!*
I'mmA FirINg mA Laz0rz! BWAH!
*Lazers kills zombies*

[Caulder]

Hells Yeah, Zero!

*Is prepping his Lazor cannon, conveniently shaped like a giant red mouth with two big-ass eyes*

Fire when ready, men!

*Lazor fires and flies at Lurker's hidden stockpile of Zombie Serum* (Cus god knows he has one hidden)

[lurker]

It buried very deeps, you really need a gud lazor.

[ZeroSpace]

Well how about TWO LAZORZ THEN?
*FIRES IT*
I'mmA fiRinGZ Ma lAZ0rz! BwaH!

[Rule 34]

No, my penis is bigger.

[Sinfulwolf]

OKay, this is getting crazy out of hand. People start to use logic, and it falls to shambles (which is originally why I proclaimed myself queen of the dead in the first place)...

In all seriousness this is a question that has to be asked. Who here can actually hit a person in the head at 100m, or more. Not just on a target range in perfect conditions either. Could you actually pull the trigger when it came down to it? And don't just yammer off a yes because you can (though I can't really stop you either).

Also, in melee, do you have the endurance to punch something through a human skull to destroy the brain, pull the weapon out, and continue to do so in a closed space.

Thirdly, do you have ready access to anything that will allow the above two to occur.

Do you have any survival skills? Can you cook your own food? Know how to take care of yourself? Treat wounds? Build shelters? Keep warm?




I also find it amusing that I'm the one bringing up the serious aspect of this thread.

[Hopeyouguess62]

Honestly I'm not a great marksman, probably due to a lack of experience. I've had some martial arts training and I'm proficient (though certainly not a trained master) with swords to an extent. That's why I said I'd need people who were good with guns and other weapons.

I've got survival skills though; I used to teach backpacking and survival to high-schoolers for a living. I'm fairly sure I could survive indefinitely in the woods with minimal equipment, especially if I wasn't worried about low-impact camping. It wouldn't be a FUN life (anyone who's tried to start a fire with one match can tell you that) but I would live.

[Janna]

In all seriousness this is a question that has to be asked. Who here can actually hit a person in the head at 100m, or more. Not just on a target range in perfect conditions either. Could you actually pull the trigger when it came down to it? And don't just yammer off a yes because you can (though I can't really stop you either).

Also, in melee, do you have the endurance to punch something through a human skull to destroy the brain, pull the weapon out, and continue to do so in a closed space.

Thirdly, do you have ready access to anything that will allow the above two to occur.

Do you have any survival skills? Can you cook your own food? Know how to take care of yourself? Treat wounds? Build shelters? Keep warm? I have no training in firearms. My dad was, I think, the only person in the town where I grew up who didn't own a gun, go hunting or let us shoot. One of my brothers does now, but I still haven't and I don't really have any desire to learn. I'm too much of a city girl now and I like getting my food from the supermarket.

I'm in pretty good shape and more to the point I have an aluminum baseball bat like right here. My problem would be the initial shock and horror at seeing a real zombie. But once I got over that realization, I think I could use that or my claw hammer to defend myself assuming I didn't get swarmed.

I know first aid and have a fully stocked kit in the bathroom. I can also start a fire, and catch, clean and cook a fish (we didn't hunt but we went camping all the time as a kid.) I know how to not get lost in the wilderness and some reallly basic survival skills; I wouldn't be happy about it but I think getting away from civilization would be the way to go.

[Momiji]

I have no training in firearms. My dad was, I think, the only person in the town where I grew up who didn't own a gun, go hunting or let us shoot. One of my brothers does now, but I still haven't and I don't really have any desire to learn. I'm too much of a city girl now and I like getting my food from the supermarket.

I'm in pretty good shape and more to the point I have an aluminum baseball bat like right here. My problem would be the initial shock and horror at seeing a real zombie. But once I got over that realization, I think I could use that or my claw hammer to defend myself assuming I didn't get swarmed.

I know first aid and have a fully stocked kit in the bathroom. I can also start a fire, and catch, clean and cook a fish (we didn't hunt but we went camping all the time as a kid.) I know how to not get lost in the wilderness and some reallly basic survival skills; I wouldn't be happy about it but I think getting away from civilization would be the way to go.
Getting away from civilization would probably be a double edged sword. For one thing, there are going to be less zombies. But you'd probably find no other survivors out in the woods.

[Hopeyouguess62]

That's very true, but generally speaking, making yourself easy to find is usually a bad move in zombie-land. We could probably navigate so as to come nearby cities, where we could look in on towns to ascertain their status, but I'd rather be a little lonely and survive than join the zombie community.

[dmronny]

OKay, this is getting crazy out of hand. People start to use logic, and it falls to shambles (which is originally why I proclaimed myself queen of the dead in the first place)...

In all seriousness this is a question that has to be asked. Who here can actually hit a person in the head at 100m, or more. Not just on a target range in perfect conditions either. Could you actually pull the trigger when it came down to it? And don't just yammer off a yes because you can (though I can't really stop you either).

Also, in melee, do you have the endurance to punch something through a human skull to destroy the brain, pull the weapon out, and continue to do so in a closed space.

Thirdly, do you have ready access to anything that will allow the above two to occur.

Do you have any survival skills? Can you cook your own food? Know how to take care of yourself? Treat wounds? Build shelters? Keep warm?




I also find it amusing that I'm the one bringing up the serious aspect of this thread.

Yes, to all of them but I ha ve the advantage of experience in all of them being a combat veteran. I also went through SERE school and have most of the equipment I would need already here.

None of this really matters though since I'm leading the zombies, however.

Don't forget not only would you have to be able to shoot someone, but more than likely the first person you would have to shoot would be someone you know and love. I highly doubt if anyone could do that.

[lurker]

Yes, let's go back to zombie spies sapping sentries please, let's stop going soo serious.

Or I shall have to count to 3 (5 sir!) aw, right, 5 and toss a hand grenade

[Kusanagi]

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[lurker]

Awww, thanks for the picie ^,^

[Unknown Squid]

Aw, but I like the serious aspect. It's fun.

If I can land a measly 0.35 gram plastic pellet on a person trying to take cover at 100 meters, then I'm pretty confident I could hit a head at 100 with a real gun. I know how to zero a rifle, and after that as long as you take care of it, it really isn't that hard to aim. It would mostly be a case of getting used to the recoil. I use real capacity mags in my skirmishes, so I'm used to counting my shots and keeping an eye on ammo. I know more than I should when it comes to firearms. I always like to look things up and compare the real equipment to my own.

That said, living in east England I have rarely seen a gun let alone shoot or own one. But I do know several local locations they are kept, and when things get tough, people learn fast. My step father has served in the army, and I know more about the very weapons he has used than he does. I already know my way around a G36 and can reload one efficiently with my eyes closed. I know the most common faults in the older L85s and what to do about it. I wouldn't be caught off guard by the recoil of an SLR. All this may sound like some cliqued wannabe/know-it-all, but I'm positive that what I know could be of genuine value.

The issue with family and friends would be the toughest one. Though I would obviously aim to avoid part of that problem in the first place. I have actually often run through impossible situations in my head before. What would I do, and how far would I go. You can't really know until your there, but I sure as hell don't intend on turning into one of those whimpering fools in movies that messes everything up.

[Newbie]

I've had little experience shooting anything, especially off range. I do have some nifty survival skills, first aid knowledge, leadership ability, and luck, so that's got to count for something. I'm also pretty good at simple construction, stuff with wood and rope. I don't know about shooting turned family, but I'm pretty sure I'd at least dump liabilities pretty quickly.

[dmronny]

Actually, I'm confident most people could shoot a weapon. The point I was thinking about, and that I thought Sinful was making is can you shoot a person. Wether it's someone you know or not, you will still have to look in their eyes and pull the trigger. Granted theses are zombies, but they will still look like people. Trust me when I say it's never easy to say yes you would shoot someone or thing.

[Kusanagi]

I can use a bow and arrow fairly accurately :D

In all seriousness, though, the only guns I know I can use accurately are a sniper rifle and a shotgun.
As I prefer a shotgun, I would probably be the one popping out of cover first in the 'hunting' phase - as described in "The Zombie Survival Guide" by Max Brooks - yelling "suprise, cockfags!"

[Tassadar]

Actually, I'm confident most people could shoot a weapon. The point I was thinking about, and that I thought Sinful was making is can you shoot a person. Wether it's someone you know or not, you will still have to look in their eyes and pull the trigger. Granted theses are zombies, but they will still look like people. Trust me when I say it's never easy to say yes you would shoot someone or thing.

Shooting something is easy after the first time. More often than not, it only comes back to haunt you a while after the deed is done, when you have a few free moments to think about it. Fight or flight doesn't give room for morality. That, and if it had been long enough the zombies would only look very vaguely human anyway, so it would cease to be a problem.
You are right though, it is much easier to say you could than to prove it.

[dmronny]

I hate to burst your bubble, but the first time is probably the easiest after that it starts to build up and get worst. Of course no two people react the same way, nor do they react the same way every time.

Also Kusa if you can use a sniper rifle accurately than you should be able to use most any other gun accurately. With the exception of handguns maybe they are quite different.

[ZeroSpace]

Well, I have no skills that would be useful really, but I would be able to stay calm and think logically, like not shooting a zombie 100 miles away from me. And like I said before, it's not about 'killing' zombies, its about staying alive and the hell away from them so as long as the zombies are what we think they are (Slow, dead, no thinking) we are pretty much fine as long as you are not in a hot zone or anything. And as to family... I really wouldn't want to shot anyone at all but I'd shoot them anyways cause they aren't really my 'family' anymore and well... I wouldn't want to die in the hands of my family that I know, I'd rather they rest in peace then have their dead body moving around. And hm... as to moving away from civilization I'd use something call a car and just drive through places till I find people or unaffected places or an isolated place.

[Sinfulwolf]

Also Kusa if you can use a sniper rifle accurately than you should be able to use most any other gun accurately. With the exception of handguns maybe they are quite different.

Yeah, I tend to shoot a rifle much better than a pistol. As a defense, I've never really trained with one because us Canucks don't get issued a sidearm, unless your an officer. However, I know my way around them pretty well.

I'm also TCCC qualified, which is basically uber first aid. I know my shit, cause I've used it, and saved lives with it.

However, on foot is not always a good way to go about things. Sure in a forest it might be the best way. But think of an armoured bus. This is also my downfall, I don't know how to hotwire a vehicle. Does anyone here know how to?

[Nunu]

You'd want me around when the imminent zombie invasion occurs, being a jack of all trades means that i can do everything. also all signs point to me being a pretty decent shot, this is quite useful in Australia due to the lower population density (hence zombie density) and the extreme lack of weapons and ammunition (the only thing i'd be able to get my hands on easily outside of kitchen knives is my 40 pound composite bow, speaking of that its good because of its reusable ammunition but would it do enough damage to take down a zombie).

at the end of the day its also convenient to have someone who can make meals out of more or less anything.

[Sinfulwolf]

Cooking... always a good thing!

[dmronny]

I don't see a use for a handgun against zombies really, but it could help to gather food or against the humans who would inevitably turn to raiding. Since you could hit them anywhere. Never hunted with a bow so I don't know if it could penentate a skull, but I think it would. Yes cooking is always a good thing luckily SERE taught me to eat just about anything.

[Nunu]

a 35 pound composite bow should penetrate a skull, killing a normal person pretty well, but it doesn't fracture like a bullet so i dont know how much it would do. as for hunting, 35 pounds just isn't enough. my dad used to hunt with a 70 pound bow and he still had to slit throats after the animal had gone down.

[dmronny]

Well to be honest I don't really know how to kill a zombie, never really come up for some reason. If you have to seperate the brain from the body it probably wouldn't work but it might who knows this is all hypothetical anyways.

[Nunu]

what we need to know is how much damage a bullet does to the brain and compare that to the damage a bow can do

[dmronny]

Well we could both shoot a watermelon and compare the amount of damage done. I think comparing you're bow to my shotgun is unneccesary, and I doubt if my hi-power would penetrate a skull except at point-blank range. My rifle would pretty much blow the back of the skull out however which should destroy the brain.

[Nunu]

well i mean compare it to a pistol or similar low power weapon. obviously a clasic anti-zombie weapon like a shotgun has light years on a bow

[Tassadar]

Depends on the arrowhead, but it would do the job so long as it gets through the skull okay. Shooting a watermelon isn't the same, as a bullet will go through the other side and the pressure will cause additional damage, regardless of the bullet caliber, while some bullets won't get through the other side of the head.

[Kusanagi]

Ah, but you can always attach an explosive tip to an arrow. It's not a common attachment, but it's still a viable option none-the-less.
You can also use an arrow to start a fire from a distance. I.e., have a bonfire set up to light up to distract zombies for a few precious seconds, maybe minutes if you're stealthy enough.

You'd have to use 2-3 'normal' arrows on a zombie's skull to take it down, I believe. It's just one of those 'it's good if there's nothing besides a pistol' type thing.
And yes, the bow-and-arrow is better than a pistol in a zombie situation. Range is your friend, especially if you'd freak out easy at near-melee range to a zombie, which is how close you'd have to be to effectively kill a zombie with a minimum amount of pistol shots.
Now, a revolver/Desert Eagle, that may be a bit different, as they're the 'heavy' class of pistol, as I like to say. Still would have to get in close, though.

As much as I'd love to have you around, nunu, I'm over here in America, and more than likely I'd head to Canada where sin is, though I'd head south to grab chibi first, as well as anyone else I met on the route I'd take. You're welcome to join us once you've sanitized Australia, which shouldn't take long, seeing as how it's you :p

Oh, and Zero, a car would be useless. Possibly a Jeep/Hummer, because of the off-roading capabilities. Anything that cannot go off-road, would get stuck in the mobs on the roads, 'cause the roads would get cut off in a zombie emergency. Better off with a bike. No gas required for that is another perk.

[ZeroSpace]

But a bike is bad cause its not sturdy as a car
Given the choice I'd take a car then find something better
Jeep, etc. WOULD be THE BEST choice, but if not, Car, any car will do

[Newbie]

I live in Miami. I could throw a rock and hit a hummer, range rover, or jeep.Find and 'borrow' a hummer from either a dealership or a local, load up on gas, and head north. Get in contact with Chibi, see who else needs pickups (within reason), and head for canadia.

[ZeroSpace]

Well
If you are gonna head to Canada and pick up everyone else what's NEXT?

[Newbie]

I refuse to make a plan for a scenario that will essentially be chaos. That'll slow me down. I have ideas, some of them are even good ideas, but all of them I'd postpone or abandon in an instant I had to.

That being said, I'd like to establish some manner of colony at some point, a safe haven for survivors. If we had a group large enough when we hit canada then it might be a good place to go about it, as there is little north that we would need to defend. And with Sin and Ronny in our ranks I'm fairly sure that setting up some manner of security would be relatively simple. We'd have to go back to basics in a big way, at least until we grow enough to start worrying about technology again.

[dmronny]

That's probably the best idea yet, because no matter how good a plan is it will pretty much always get screwed up. I would think the plains as far north as possible would be the most easily defended. Of course you might as well just give up and shoot yourself if the zombie virus or whatever causes the outbreak affects other animals besides humans


Wait why would the I the zombie king and Sinful the zombie queen join with the humans.

[Unknown Squid]

If the arrow penetrates the skull, and the user can pull off that shot at a useful range, then it's good. I can't hotwire a car, but as I said before, I would be pretty wary of using a hotwired vehicle anyway. In the event of a stall, which is more likely in the non standard conditions you'd be facing, how long is it going to take you to get it started again? As for roads, I don't see any real reason for them to be blocked. Police barricades maybe, but unless they used concrete slabs for some reason, is there anything to stop you dismantling or pushing through? The claim that cars would be randomly crashed all over the roads is ridiculous too. No zombie is going to leap off the side of a road and manage to stop a car doing 60. Any other cars, if we imagine infection can be slow for example, are going to most likely slide off the road. If not, drive round, or in the most unlikly of cases, nudge the non parked car and push the bugger off the road. No problem. Plus that's going to be one zombie hilariously stuck in it's seat belt behind car doors it does not know how to open.

I would definitely be sure to give a quick tutorial to anyone entrusted with a gun though. One friend of mine, when given my P90 to hold, held it at first practically by the flash hider. If it was real he would have blown his hand off first shot. Another held my shotgun left-handed (which he is not) and stocked it under his armpit while trying to bend his head down to look through the sights. And also, I'd make sure everyone understood the dangers of the exhaust port, and to pay attention to their safety modes. Another friend, who I regularly airsoft with and is far from a gun noob, one day decided he wouldn't bother with the safety on his T77 he was carrying as a sidearm, so that he could bring it into action faster. A few hours into the game, and from behind me I hear a rapid set of shots followed by multiple rapid swearwords. My pal had just caught his gun on a shrub while taking cover and let out a 10 round burst into his leg at about 2 inches range. He got out of it with a bleeding leg and alerting the enemy to the rest of us. In this zombie scenario, it would be a missing leg and a horde of zombies instead. Seriously, use the safety.

On the subject of pistols. Even a .22 round will penetrate a skull at short ranges, or at least send deadly shards of bone into the brain. A 9mm is more than sufficient, and personally I would very much avoid unnecessarily large calibre pistols. There is good reason why militarys don't use the Desert Eagle for example. Over rated weapon of the century. You lose fire rate, control, ammo capacity, it is heavy, too large to fit in standard holsters, and after a long period of use wrist pain can set in. I would opt for a practical pistol, something that won't fly skywards with every shot. Pistols should not be ignored for there is no better defence in a close call. Granted, trying to pop off hordes at long range is not going to get you far, but just about any fool can effectively aim a pistol at short range, even for a head shot. The users ability to handle the recoil will determine their real effectiveness. I took part in an airsoft practical shooting course a few months back, basically racing through an assault course and taking out various targets as accurately and quickly as possible. I did pretty well for my first time. If I could handle the extra recoil of actual bullets over over the propane powered guns we use, I would be able to empty a room of zombies pretty swiftly.

Oh yeah, I forgot to ask something when you mentioned it earlier Sinfulwolf. What's wrong with a Glock? I've not really heard anything bad about them before.

[Nunu]

the necessity of high powered pistols depends on the type of zombie and their scarcity. now a large revolver wouldn't be to bad for rural areas as its capable of incapacitating as well as killing. Also if just one bullet to the head turned out not to be enough (as i imagine it probably would, zombies need to suffer severe head trauma), i'd imagine larger firepower becomes exponentially better (although all this granted you may as well just have a shotgun, also i understand shotgun ammo is the most common ammo in the US).

as for explosive arrows... its a toss up, if the zombies look like they are an undefeatable hoard, yes. but in any other situation i'd want to be able to get the arrows back, they are not as easy to make as people say and you can't carry many (something like 20 to a quiver would be reasonable), not to mention the possibility of falling out. At the end of the day, using explosive arrows nullifies the only advantage of using a bow, that you can get the arrows back. if i had the stuff to make explosives, i'd make a pipe bomb and use that instead.

[Sinfulwolf]

The only time I fired a Glock the expended rounds ejected from the top of the fucking weapon, not the side like most every other gun known to man (I know some machine guns eject from the bottom), and kept hitting me in the fucking face. Plus, only the first round fired is accurate (for pistol standards), while after that its a little more... frantic.

I just have personal issues with the Glock really.

[ToxicShock]

The make of the gun is decent, but yes, I have my problems with it too. I've personally never liked the glock in any way.

Plus, and I know this isn't exactly a field problem, but it's just really an ugly gun.
and it doesn't match my purse

[Kusanagi]

Yeah, a bike can't mow through hordes of Zombies like a car can, but that's not the point when you're trying to GTFO. What you want to do is move quickly and silently. Zombies react on base instincts. They'll be attracted to all the noise you'll make in a car.
Not to mention that you'll have to make calculations NOW as to how much gas you'll need, depending on the vehicle's MPG and how long you'll have to travel, taking into account that the ways you WILL be able to take WILL NOT be straight lines, especially because - like I said - the roads will be blocked off/dead stopped - no pun intended :p
For a short hop - maybe 2-300 miles - I can see using a car. Much further than that, you WILL want a bike. As I said before, it's silent, therefore less likely to attract the zombie hoards. What you don't seem to register is the threat the zombie poses. It's pretty much just a dead human, yes, and yes it does only walk/shamble, but you MUST destroy the brain to truly kill it, and it's blood is contagious, so splattering it all over the place ISN'T the brightest idea.

If you MUST use a vehicle, find a helicopter. It suffers from requiring gas, but it more than makes up for that in it's mobility. It can take off/land most anywhere there's a clear patch, Zombies CANNOT fly - did I mention they're only driven by base instinct, so they therefore cannot perform complex actions that we view as simple such as riding a bike, driving, or even pulling the trigger of a gun? - and it covers distances quickly. Not to mention it's a good mobile post for sniping zombies once you've got a base set up and can actually start hunting them.

I'm not saying the pistol should be over-looked, as it CAN come in handy, but you have to be trained mentally to be able to be that close to a zombie and not freak out so much that you shake too much to be accurate. Range is your friend - ESPECIALLY mentally - when fighting zombies.
I'd much rather swap the pistol for a titanium crowbar and either a short sword or a Katana, because the range they'll be at for a pistol to be accurate - well, unless you're trained well with it, then I can see them being further away - I'll be using my shotgun, and any closer I'd switch to melee.

I know the real thing will freak me out, and I pray that I don't have any melee encounters until I've got a base established. But, that said, I've trained myself for this for the past year now, and I'll continue training into my old age, even if the time never comes. I will not be caught unprepared mentally and physically, dammit! :O

[ToxicShock]

Those theories used to hold well and good but a lot of cars make next to no noise when traveling at speeds much higher than you can on a bike nowadays

[Kusanagi]

The only 'quiet' vehicles I know of, wouldn't last off-roading very long.

[ZeroSpace]

Well a Mcycle makes much more noise then a car does now-a-days and unless THE BIKE IS SUITED TO OFF ROAD(There are some that aren't so good with off road) a bike won't get you far, and if you have a car does mean you can push zombies off the road, but it CAN also push THINGS off the road (Other cars, etc.) so it is like you said, not about killing zombies and getting the blood everywhere, it's about the fact that a car is MUCH MORE STURDY. I've seen a bike hit a bump and the bike flip over now lets pretend the bump is a bunch of dead people on the floor, have fun. And as for a helicopter.... I dunno how to control it, so if you are experienced, great. If you are not, don't crash.

[ToxicShock]

The make of the gun is decent, but yes, I have my problems with it too. I've personally never liked the glock in any way.

Plus, and I know this isn't exactly a field problem, but it's just really an ugly gun.
and it doesn't match my purse

I feel my cunning white text was completely overlooked

[dmronny]

I think some of you are taking this way to seriously, no one knows what a zombie would actually be like. Hence why I am giving the zombie side a shot, come on join us. We have fresh-baked cookies and a sexy zombie queen, why would you want to run away and hide.

Edit: Yes the white text was overlooked till it was on a darker background.

[Tassadar]

I feel my cunning white text was completely overlooked

Nope, just ignored. Get a new purse. :p

[dmronny]

He's right you need a new purse, it doesn't match your eyes anyways.

[ToxicShock]

Wait, if I'm angry my gun doesn't match my purse and need to get a new purse that matches my eyes...

...where the fuck am I going to find a bright blue gun?

[dmronny]

The toy store, you didn't say it had to be a real gun.

[Sinfulwolf]

Spray paint the gun blue

[Kusanagi]

Forget about the paint job at time of purchase. You can always spray paint :p

Then use the leftover with a lighter to make a mini flame-thrower, unless it's one of those pussy-ass 'non-aerosol' ones >.>

Mcycle

wtf?
ORO?

I meant a BICYCLE, not a motor bike.
If you can't stop a bicycle in time to stop from flipping over a pile of zombies, well, you deserve to flip >.<

Lazy bastard :p


And you keep assuming you'll be able to use the road :p

[Sinfulwolf]

What about a battle bus? Or a LAV III?

[ZeroSpace]

Well a bike is even worst considering you won't go more then 50 miles and you can only like hold minimal amount of supplies

[Kusanagi]

Would you just happen to have one on hand?

Wait.... Sinful might... :p

If you can plan a route and can actually keep enough gas on hand/know where to find gas/method of propulsion, that's great, a military vehicle would rock. It'd be a bitch to wash if any zombie blood got on it, though. Can't touch the blood, it's contagious :p

I'm speaking for those of us who have no access to military-grade transportation, though.
A bicycle is ideal. It's quiet as hell - not totally, but almost - and requires you for propulsion, not gas, or plasma, or some funky energy cell.

As I've said, an actual vehicle (Jeep, car, bus) I can see being used for short hops or for hunting with, but not for long-distance travel.

What it really comes down to, though, is availability. If all you have is a car, fine, use it for as long as you dare, but try to find something better.
Going 'Rambo' on zombies with a car only works for so long, especially with today's cars. That plastic can't compare to a car made in the 70's/80's, when they used METAL for the entire thing still. Take the '85 Monte Carlo SS I have, for example. It's a TANK. Well, almost. Just needs a cannon. That's how sturdy it is.

I never said a car cannot hold it's weight (literally as well as figuratively) in a zombie outbreak. It's just not practical for long periods of time. The gas WILL run out, and it WILL make zombies follow you.

If you must use something that requires fuel, I urge you to find the BIGGEST thing you can, I.E. a Bus, a Semi, a Monster Truck... SOMETHING that will sit you high above the zombies if necessary.

Well a bike is even worst considering you won't go more then 50 miles and you can only like hold minimal amount of supplies

Hence why you should train. If you're not ready for the zombie onslaught, that's your issue :p

You need to ration out your food. No big meals, maybe just some bread and water for breakfast, and some granola and fruit for dinner.

The point of using the bike isn't to travel great distances in minutes, but to silently evade zombies.

[dmronny]

I still don't understand why you're trying to evade us and run us over. We wer just going to invite yoy over for a barbecue. All the lawyer and politician you can eat, just be careful about the French politicians they give you gas.

[Kusanagi]

I still don't understand why you're trying to evade us and run us over. We wer just going to invite yoy over for a barbecue. All the lawyer and politician you can eat, just be careful about the French politicians they give you gas.

We mean the improperly mannered dullwits who keep trying to eat US, not the educated ones such as yourself and others.

[dmronny]

So you're coming for the barbecue then, good I didn't want all those lawyers to go to waste. You wouldn't think they would be so hard to catch, but they put up one hell of a fight.

[Newbie]

Wouldn't that be awesome: A society of humans and zombies working and living together in harmony?

[ZeroSpace]

Yes that would be great! Then the smart and good zombies will take up arms with us and fight the stupid zombies and people!
But back to the topic at hand. What makes you think that zombies follow the noise? And a car can muffle it's noise in lot of different ways, if it's raining Zombies won't do crap, and if its not, go to isolated places, I am sure a dirt road beats the living day lights of trying to climb up hills with a bike and how much bread can you even hold on that backpack of yours? Bread will expire, fruit will go bad also. So having a car where you can put a lot of heavy things and useful things in isn't so bad, I mean, you can have 2 boxes of Spam and a can opener and they will last for months and how much water can you pack? 3? 4? 6 bottles? A car can pack 2 24 packs and more, not to mention that why are you so sure the blood are the cause of zombification? It could be a parasite or something that houses itself in a dead person's brain. So therefore you cannot assume your choices are right, I am not neither since I think that a bike is useful if you just want to dash over to some place without wasting gas or as a last ditch attempt to run away, but bikes and bumps still don't go to well for me... And one last thing... what are you gonna do if you and your bike are surrounded? I can run over somethings and break out and I don't think you can ride a bike while shooting a gun.... so have fun going on your bike ride.

[Kusanagi]

I will if you have fun finding out whether or not the blood is contagious for yourself :D

If I could train one, what I would REALLY prefer over a bike is a horse. Problem is, I can already forsee the horse getting scared as shit and going bonkers, even with training.

I believe the blood is contagious because it's what makes sense in terms of how it would spread. Not only the blood, though, but the saliva or any other secretions as well.
If only the previously dead became zombies, it wouldn't be so bad. We'd have a set amount of zombies, and a set amount of potential zombies at the time of the zombie rise.
I'm believing in this being a spreadable virus, and taking precautions as such. If I turn out to be wrong, well then, I guess I'll just do what you're so adamant about doing and smash through zombies with a car.

Plus, you'd better hope you have good tires and a high enough carriage on that car. All the newer ones I've seen are so low, a speed bump fucks them up. Put a pile of zombies there instead, and the car'll get stuck. At least the bike I can pick up and use as a weapon.


And now for something completely different.

I wonder if lawyers taste like chicken, or if it's the chickens that taste like lawyers?

[lurker]

Wouldn't that be awesome: A society of humans and zombies working and living together in harmony?

I think my Sarah character sorta fits that form of inspiration :rolleyes:

[ZeroSpace]

OK, as I said before man. I DO NOT PLAN ON SMASHING ZOMBIES WITH A FRICKING CAR! If I have to I fucking will, but I am NOT PLANNING TO. OK, I hope you read the caps. And well, yes, a car could get stuck which is why you should refer back to the caps. But carrying a bike and smacking zombies would be a really stupid idea, sure you can break a few bones and get it stuck so I seriously wouldn't plan on having a bike, and having a horse would be even worst since now you're gonna have to share food with your horse if it's not going crazy on you.
And about the lawyers... are they deep fried? They taste better that way.

[Sinfulwolf]

I don't think a horse is that horrible... if trained it could help fight as well. Those hooves could crush a skull if they so desired.

[Kusanagi]

The horse can just eat grass.

And if you're using a car, you WILL have to use it to smash through zombies, whether you want to or not, plan for it.

Let me ask you: what kind of vehicles do you see yourself being able to get a hold of when the zombies attack?

The Sedan, otherwise known as your typical 'car', lacks off-road capabilities, which you WILL need. The roads WILL be blocked, and you WILL find points you cannot get through without off-roading.

The SUV is even worse, as it's pretty much a less gas-efficient Sedan.

The Truck would be my choice if I HAD to use a civilian vehicle (because, as sin pointed out, a select few have access to military vechs), but I would make sure it was one made for off-roading, not one that looks nice but can't hop off the road for shit. The Hummer or H2 look good, though sadly they get shit for gas mileage. Still, it would get the job done, I'm willing to bet, until I get North enough that I can safely use my bike to get the rest of the way.

A Bus is more of a 'Defendable structure' than it is a viable escape vehicle. Still, it's better than a Sedan.

An Armored Car (yanno, the ones that transport money to and from banks) is nice if you can get enough provisions and gas. Once inside, the Zombies CANNOT, I repeat, CANNOT get to you.

You complain about the motorcycle, yet it is a very viable mode of transportation. While louder than cars, and having only half the tank typically, their MPG makes up for it and Dirt Bikes are more than suited for off-roading.

This next bit applies to ALL vehicles: MAKE SURE YOU BRING EXTRA GAS.
The only way you'll know where gas stops will be is if you map out a route beforehand and actually travel it. That said, you don't know that the places you can refuel at will even HAVE fuel.
You had also better make sure the vehicle you take is maintained well. It would suck if you left in your vehicle, only to find out it needs oil after only 100 miles or such.


If the Lawyer's aren't deep fried, we can always deep fry them ourselves ;p

[ZeroSpace]

Damn it, am I gonna have to deep fry them?
But you say it like I AM gonna be not prepared. Yes, off road = win. And I thought you were a bike a person... but yes you are right Mcycle that can go off road would be nice, but you need to know how to ride it. But the most important thing is. A key. If you can't hotwire a car then you are pretty much shit outta luck and you say it like a Sudan will break down once it touches mud. A car is a car, you don't need it to look nice, you can break some stuff or dunt in parts to make it smaller it's about getting away, not how you do it, if a zombie attack comes, you are not gonna be planned for it you won't know what others will do, and you won't know where they are coming from, if you are headed to Canada and thats the hot zone you are screwed on that bike of yours, so I'd say don't plan everything now or say what are you gonna do, just plan on getting away from zombies and staying the fuck away from zombies.

[dmronny]

Yes the lawyers are deep-fried, how else would you cook them. The politicians were all slow roasted on a spit with my very own barbecue sauce

[Kusanagi]

But a car/motor vehicle only needs for one or two parts to break for it to become crap, and off-roading increases the odds of that happening, hence why there are ones specifically FOR off-roading.

Yeah, the key to the car is important. That's why I chose a bike in the first place. Doesn't need a key.

My plans modify with every day something new is introduced/taken away from my life.

No plan is ever perfectly prepared, something always goes awry. I'm planning as best I can, and will adapt accordingly as the need arises.

I never said you were unprepared, and I'm sorry if it sounded like I was leaning that way. I'm just hoping that I can give you some decent alternatives to a car, because it's not a given as to what you'll be able to get your hands on when the outbreak happens. I'd rather like to see most, if not all, the people here live :p

Even if Canada is a hotspot, it's infinitely colder up there, therefore slowing down - if not stopping - the zombies, *ahem*, cold. Not that they'd be that fast in the first place, but the slower, the better.
Plus, I already have an alternate location or two planned out if I can't get into Canada-land. It's not my be-all end-all, but it's my #1 choice.

Even without a car, nobody's screwed. It'll just take longer to get places, and you'll have to be more aware of your surroundings. If you have a car for too long, and then find you no longer can use one, you tend to feel more frightened than you should. It's human nature. You won't be used to the wailing being so loud, or the stench being so putrid, unless you're exposed for a bit.


The one thing I recommend EVERYONE has is a crowbar. Good for melee, and an almost all-purpose tool. Get a titanium one, if you can.


Yum, fried lawyer!

[ZeroSpace]

Want me to bring some sauce along for those lawyers? And we better have beer up there.
But a bike also needs a part or two before it's a goner and if you stay in the car for too long it's gonna be bad anyways cause you will need to get out anyways so I don't think a calm person(if anyone can be calm at all) will freak without a car all of a sudden. And if you don't have a key to the car (which doesn't make sense since almost everyone in the U.S. should own a car) as long as you have other people around you that isn't stupid and doesn't act on their own you will be fine even if you walk. And a crowbar would be useful.

[Sinfulwolf]

All the stupid people should be dead fairly quickly anyway... however, a few always manage to survive.

A knife would also be very useful.

[Hopeyouguess62]

I Will Survive Zombie Parody (working title)
by Hopeyouguess62
(parody of "I Will Survive" as sung by Gloria Gaynor)


At first I was afraid
I was petrified
Kept thinking we could never live
With zombies right outside
But then I spent so many nights
Hiding from their unholy throng
And I grew strong
And I learned how to get along

And so you're back
From an evil place
I just walked in to find you here
With that blank look upon your face
I should have changed that stupid lock
And reinforced the door with chains
If I've have known for just one second
You'd be back to eat my brains

And all your mates
Failed their attacks
Just turn around now
And bring your skull to meet my axe
Weren't you the one who tried to tell me we should run
Did you think it's smart, now?
Did your zombie pals eat you for fun?
Oh no, not I

I will survive
Oh, as long as I know how to hide
I know I'll stay alive
I miss all my friends who died
I have smashed the zombified
And I'll survive
I will survive, hey hey

It took all the strength I had
And an axe that's dull
No one will ever mend
The pieces of your broken skull
And I spent oh so many nights
Trying to hide to save myself
And hear the cry
Of zombie vultures in the sky

And I see you
In pools of blood
I'm not that helpless young survivor
Of an undead flood
And so you felt like dropping in
And tried to make a meal of me
But now I'm saving all my brains
To find a place that's zombie-free

So now I'll go
Sneak out the door
I'll run away now
Cause it's not safe here anymore
Bashing your head is not the happiest goodbye
But I cannot fumble
And I will not lay down and die
Oh no, not I

I will survive
Oh, as long as I know how to hide
I know I'll stay alive
I miss all my friends who died
I have smashed the zombified
And I'll survive
I will survive, oh

So now I'll go
Sneak out the door
I'll run away now
Cause it's not safe here anymore
Bashing your head is not the happiest goodbye
Can't afford to fumble
I have to run; I have to fly
Oh yes, and I

I will survive
Oh, as long as I know how to hide
I know I'll stay alive
I miss all my friends who died
I have smashed the zombified
And I'll survive
I will survive
I will survive...




edit: Oh, and a non-zombified horse would be quite helpful, providing you had adequate training is riding one.

A knife would be essential, not only for hand-to-hand combat with zombies (and possibly crazed, insane humans) but also for basic survival.

[dmronny]

Okay that's hilarious definately worth rep. :D

[Kusanagi]

Awesome HYG :p


A bike is just as easy to break, yes, but it's easier to replace the parts, or the bike itself. A car is a bitch to fix, if I learned anything from my first car (had to fix the axles and the drive shaft, replace the spark plugs, carburetor, muffler, and the radiator). Another car is just as easy to come by, but as you said, you need the key to it. If you find an abandoned car that isn't yours, you'd better hope the people left the keys in it.


The knife.... Yeah, it's useful. Just be sure it's a real knife, not some pocket knife BS. Though a Swiss Army Knife would come in handy, provided it had enough options on it. I saw one that had a compass, magnifying glass, scissors, and a mini-hammer (for tent stakes, apparently) once :p
Also, don't lose it in a zombie. Make sure it's a clean edge, not serrated or something.

[ZeroSpace]

But if like you said, the blood turns you zombie. Then if you try to cut a zombie won't you get blood over you?

[Sinfulwolf]

Wear a MOP suit... right Ronny?

[dmronny]

Yeah MOPP gear would work, but I would rather not wear it. Having to be at MOPP level 2 for 4 months straight really made me hate it.

[Sinfulwolf]

No doubt... but that's not the point.

Lucky in Afghan land that we don't have NBC threats

[dmronny]

Well at least we had the new Jlist suits not the old charcoal suits so it wasn't too bad.

[Hopeyouguess62]

Really now... the knife is not your zombie killing weapon. You need to get a ranged weapon and a good melee weapon, true, but the knife is much more useful for things like cutting rope, carving signs for survivors into wooden things, skinning wild animals, etc. Only in an extreme situation (i.e. cornered by zombie(s) and other melee weapon gone/broken/unusable) would you ever use the knife on a zombie, and then you'd leave it for a new knife ASAP. After all if you nick yourself with a zombie killing weapon, you're screwed.

[Kusanagi]

I was thinking more along the lines of a last-resort weapon against a zombie, like in Resident Evil (the ones before 4, where it was used to get out of a hold).
That, and a decent CQC weapon against raiders.

Anything melee that's used against zombies should be treated with care, because zombie blood WILL get on it, and the blood will either splatter on you because it's a messy kill, or you will transfer it from the blade to your skin while holding/cleaning it.
Merely slicing into a zombie won't get blood on you if it's a clean cut. Hell, I've seen videos of people slice into recently-dead animals and not get any blood on the blade at all. Of course, it was always one fluid motion, no hesitating or chopping.
And no, it was not edited. Yes, I'm sure. Yes, I know one person out of the 20-odd people I've seen video tape it. No, I will not post links, because I'm a lazy bastard. Find them yourself, because I saw a few on youtube, but a bunch were on actual sites.

[dmronny]

I know you can cut without bloodying the knife I do it all the time when I'm hunting I also worked in a slaughter house during high school. However a dead animal is much easier to do it to than a living or unliving in this case creature.

[Hopeyouguess62]

Really my advice in most situations would be improvised, blunt weapons. Folding chairs and barstools are, I think, excellent options.

[Kusanagi]

As long as it's something you can use. I.e., if you don't have the physical strength, avoid the sledgehammer :p

Though, I'd avoid blunt weapons where possible. They'll bust someone open, yes, but it'll be messy, increasing the odds of getting splattered.

[Hopeyouguess62]

Sledgehammer is somewhat pointless in that situation anyway, unless you're a trained sledgehammer...man. Now a hammer, or maybe even a really heavy flashlight? Good weapon.

[Kusanagi]

Too close. The blood would be sure to splatter on ya then.
If nothing else, then yes, a flashlight, because that at least has a utility purpose.

All in all, I plan to be at least an arms length or two away if I use a 'melee' weapon. Some people don't have the strength for weapons that use that length, though, so for those people, I recommend having a decent knife or short sword, something that can go in and pull out clean.
If you use a knife, try for the temple or the base of the skull in the back. The temple takes you right to the brain, while the base at the back will sever the nerves, rendering anything below the head useless. Just watch out for the teeth, and you should be fine then.

[ZeroSpace]

OK... well like I said before you are not trying to kill them but to keep them away, so like I also said before why not just use a stick to keep them away? You don't need really strength to just prod at them so they fall down and if you are strong one good swip on their legs will make them fall but it might break your stick... And a blade is something I would never recommand to fight a zombie since unless you are using some light it will be heavy, but if it's light it will usually be short so like you all said, it should be a last resort against a zombie. But really now... we can out run zombies pretty much so what I like to discuss is what would you do when you are surrounded by zombies? Or rather, what would you like to have to fight against this situation.

[lurker]

Fire Axe, or any sort of axe, would be decent, as long as said tool was sharp.

[ZeroSpace]

When you are surrounded you would swing a fire axe around? I see. I was thinking more of a chainsaw.

[lurker]

Oh. We were talking surrounded? Sorry. I was saying in general. For that, you may just need to punch and kick a bit.

*Goes back to necromancy experiments*

[ZeroSpace]

btw if you can can you make Zombie ninjas?
Wait! No! Zombie ninjas that fires lazers! Oh man, that will be so fricken awesome.

[Diagasvesle]

Zombie ninja's that fire lazers? Couldn't they then overpowered Dmron and take control over the zombie hordes? Btw why not eat the zombies? It's cannabalistic but it's a good food source, that is if the blood doesn't change you into a zombie. I know that's what I would specifically do to survive, I would skip fruit and other sources of food in hopes of eating cooked/raw human meat. I bet they taste differently. Btw the deep fried lawyers seem nasty to me, why not bake them till they puff out and start eating them?

[ZeroSpace]

Well no... why would you eat rotting things? Thats... disgusting... you... you sicko.

[ToxicShock]

Axes and chainsaws get stuck in things. Terrible when you're surrounded.

[ZeroSpace]

Lol yeah I know but if you aim for the neck I don't think a chainsaw is that bad.

[ToxicShock]

Yeah, just as long as you have the arm strength and endurance to keep it at that level and pushing forward continuously until there are no necks around you. It still takes a bit of time to hack through a spinal chord, decaying or not, and that's not something you'll be able to do surrouded

[ZeroSpace]

Good point... which is why I am asking what others would do.

[Chibichibi]

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l88/chibichibi01/Zombielove.jpg

?

[ToxicShock]

What is the question? What melee weapon I would use? Go with the ubersaw, zombies are slow, so getting 4 hits shouldn't be too hard. If it's a smaller group of zombies though that I don't need to invuln to run away, I'd bonk em all

In all seriousness, need a good length melee weapon. Personally I keep throwing knives on me at all times, but on top of that, I would probably use something along the lines of a bo staff just for keeping distance. You don't really need to kill em as much as just keep em back so you don't get surrounded and distancing yourself with the tip would be great for that

People love to say katanas but can you really slice through their entire body? And if so, can you do it easily enough that you can immediately move to the next one in the line and so on?

[Chibichibi]

People love to say katanas but can you really slice through their entire body? And if so, can you do it easily enough that you can immediately move to the next one in the line and so on?If you're trained, yeah you can (And if it's authentic hand forged). but if you're not trained then all you're doing is smashing with a pretty sword.

[ToxicShock]

If you're trained, you know to slash at certain angles which, in this case, would still have you going through more of their body. The reason they cut through is because a deathblow on a human is different than that of a zombie. A huge slash across the chest and a bit across the base of the neck would surely kill one of us and is a prime strike for those trained but for zombies, it's straight to severing the head which is almost a completely horizontal strike that takes no real "training." The only training that would be is anything that builds arm strength and allows for good speed in a full swing. At that point, anyone who golfs a lot is as good as someone trained to use it

But yes, my main point is people who don't know what they're talking about thinking they could go through it all with just that when there are probably a lot better melee weapons to be had, ESPECIALLY considering the infectious nature of the situation at hand

[Hopeyouguess62]

But yes, my main point is people who don't know what they're talking about thinking they could go through it all with just that when there are probably a lot better melee weapons to be had, ESPECIALLY considering the infectious nature of the situation at hand

Like this?

http://www.ulmf.org/bbs/picture.php?albumid=59&pictureid=557

By the way, full comic can be found here:
http://www.nuklearpower.com/daily.php?date=010815

Cropped and copypasta'd without permission, copyright 2001 by Brian Clevinger. Please don't sue me, I live in poverty, I'm just making a funny.

[Momiji]

It's like Bruce Lee meets Musashi, only better!

[Kusanagi]

Completely surrounded with only melee? I'd say ideally a trench spike (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trench+spike), like they used in WWI.

http://arms2armor.com/Knives/trench.jpg

[ToxicShock]

They were completely surrounded by zombies in WW1!?!

I mean, I knew about WW2. I don't mean to brag, I'm kind of a history buff, I played a lot of wolfenstein

[ZeroSpace]

I...see...
um... >.>
*Walks away from toxic*
But anyways we are talking about zombies not WWI

[dmronny]

Flying zombies, it will revolutionize the business.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0193.html

Evilgasm, LOL.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0197.html

[QuirkyQuark]

People love to say katanas but can you really slice through their entire body? And if so, can you do it easily enough that you can immediately move to the next one in the line and so on?

Totally! But as stated before it would have to be of half decent quality, and you'd need to know a thing or two. In fact if I remember some history properly, katanas used to be rated based on how many convicts they could slice through at once (best katanas were 5-man katanas I do believe).

Edit: Have you every touched one? I mean Jesus, even the dull ones are fucking sharp.

[ToxicShock]

Is 5 surrounding? I thought we were talking about being completely overcome? My brother has one, and it's in the house. The issue brought forth was training which does not involve slicing through the entire body. I don't know who teaches that as a "deathblow." The sword is capable, but it's not how it's trained to be used. I was talking about people, not the instrument.

[Hopeyouguess62]

Lightsaber. Easy slicing and cauterizes the wounds.

:-D

[ToxicShock]

Haha, cauterize zombie wounds?


The problem is there's no counterweight, making it just as easy to slice off one of your own limbs and someone else's.
You said we couldn't do that
If we're wailing on each other with these things, hell yes we can do it!

[Hopeyouguess62]

I don't see how that's a problem, really. I think if all you had to do was swing your hand around with a shiny light that cut through flesh like it was paper, you could do quite well for yourself.

[ToxicShock]

Oh no, I was referencing this short film called three in the afternoon. :D
They had some cheap versions that didn't cut through things immediately, like a toy

[Diagasvesle]

Flying ninja zombie's that shoot lazers from their eyeballs and also have lightsabers?!?! omg! jesus christ! I wanna be a zombie now.

[ToxicShock]

Where are the wizards and shapeshifting werewolves?

Yes... shapeshifting werewolves. They can shapeshift into anything they want, but they're originally werewolves. Although, I don't know what the hell you'd want to shapeshift into PAST werewolf. Unless you take a page out of the NES Werewolf: The Last Warrior and become a werewolf with swords for hands. Personally, I'd go with a werewolf with giant wings... and swords for hands.

[Diagasvesle]

Werewolf's with sword hands and giant bat wings cannot kill my zombie ninja flying eye lazer shooty with lightsabers umm zombie ninja horde!!

[ZeroSpace]

Oh but I can kill them...
With AA guns. A few missles, and my kitty snipers, bunny ninjas, and doggy pliots that can bomb a whole city in their fighters. We also have some doggy pirates that defend our forementioned island.

[Diagasvesle]

btw if you can can you make Zombie ninjas?
Wait! No! Zombie ninjas that fires lazers! Oh man, that will be so fricken awesome.
Uhhh zero didn't you make the zombie ninjas in the first place??

[ToxicShock]

Werewolf's with sword hands and giant bat wings cannot kill my zombie ninja flying eye lazer shooty with lightsabers umm zombie ninja horde!!

You forgot they're shapeshifters!

[ZeroSpace]

I make them I kill them
Same difference

[ToxicShock]

that's the exact reason you can kill them

[Diagasvesle]

But there's only one werewolf toxic. How could it kill a horde of flying ninja butt sexing zombies that have lightsabers that can cut it's sword hands off and also shoot lazer's that could melt the werewolf's wings! Zero why do you kill your own henchmen? WHY?! Your a sadistic asshole. He's a bigger ass then you toxic. Which in my opinion, is very bad. Toxic's logic is suppose to break your brain from its equivalent truth path that makes no sense to any other person except toxic. Toxic, please post some of your logic on how to solve this problem.

[Keylo]

Where's the "shoot idiot in the back then slam the door shut option?..."

[ZeroSpace]

1) Who said I will kill them now when they are working for me? It's good to know what your allies are weak against in case they turn on you! Which means if the Zombie ninjas ever turn on me I will be able to kill them easily.
2) I was looking for that option for a long time also but I am not gonna shoot him tho I was just gonna close the door behind him and lock it.

[ToxicShock]

1) NO ONE IS A BIGGER ASS THAN ME!
2) Shapeshift=instaregen so I fail to see how my wolf CAN lose

[Diagasvesle]

It's just one wolf toxic. Sooner or later its going to get tired. I mean how can it possibly kill billions of zombie ninja hordes that shoot lazers from their eyeballs and carry lightsabers? Not to forget the trillion hordes of zombies and other mutated ones.

[ToxicShock]

What is tired? When the body cramps from a buildup of lactic acid? Acid inside the body? A-HA! (no, not the band) shapeshifting; controls it's muscles and acids on the inside. No no my friend, invulnerable bodies never get tired. :D

[Kusanagi]

. . . . .

Anyone have a silver, holy nuke of Antioch?

:D

[Tassadar]

. . . . .

Anyone have a silver, holy nuke of Antioch?

:D

Yes.

[Hopeyouguess62]

This.

http://www.bestdamnpodcastever.com/blogimages/bfg-9000-2.jpg

This would work well. Just make sure you give it enough time to properly fire. Make sure you've got energy cells, too.

[ZeroSpace]

Hm...What about recoil does it have recoil?
Side effects?
Weight?
Ammo?
Size?

[Sinfulwolf]

Dear Christ... I don't suppose I should ever expect to see a semi-serious thread on here should I?

*goes back to writing, and cleaning up body parts*

Stupid Taliban... blowing themselves up.

[Hopeyouguess62]

Dear Christ... I don't suppose I should ever expect to see a semi-serious thread on here should I?

*goes back to writing, and cleaning up body parts*

Stupid Taliban... blowing themselves up.

Sinfulwolf:

It WAS semi-serious for about as long as semi-serious goes on here. Actually this thread stayed that way longer than most.

Then like most threads it got a little silly.

Also I agree that the Taliban is composed of dumb-dumb heads.


Zerospace:

The BFG-9000 (AKA Big Fucking Gun) is a weapon that shoots a big green ball of *energy stuff* that when it hits something, tends to blow it up (takes about three blasts to destroy pretty much anything). When the big green blast hits its target, anything else you can see takes a lesser amount of damage from little green blasts that appear. There's no chance of missing with the little blasts so long as the targets are in your field of vision, and monsters such as zombies are weak enough that they just die, er, re-die.

It's from the old DOS game, "Doom." Fun, fun game. Very old school by most standards (though certainly not all: I cut my teeth on Pac-Man, Pong and Breakout).

[ZeroSpace]

That doesn't answer my questions.

[dmronny]

Dear Christ... I don't suppose I should ever expect to see a semi-serious thread on here should I?

*goes back to writing, and cleaning up body parts*

Stupid Taliban... blowing themselves up.

Serious, but you're the zombie queen, why would you want it serious.

Ah cleaning up bodies only two jobs I can think of that are worse.

[Diagasvesle]

the BFG 9000 it is called the "Big FUCKING gun" for a reason.
The reason is that its a big gun and it fucks all the enemy's in your field of vision. Warning if this sounds sexual, then your a really screwed pervert, how could you F#$% a zombie with a gun?!

[lurker]

You never seen someone masturbate with a firearm before?

[Newbie]

I suppose it'd be fine so long as you turned the safety on first.

[Diagasvesle]

Wait masturbating with a firearm? Sure why not. Fucking a dead zombie with said firearm, while zombie is still walking, hell no.

[ZeroSpace]

Are they dead/injuried afterwards?

[Diagasvesle]

Your fighting more then 3 zombies, how could you kill all three by fucking them with a gun? Thats not what a BFG 9000 on sell in target/wal-mart for $3999.99 is for. Goddamn idiots and their stupid shenigans that make no sense, why? If you find this I am meaning the world in general I probaley should post this in the hate thread.

[ZeroSpace]

When you 'rip' them? Duh?

[Newbie]

Are they dead/injuried afterwards?

Did you see the size of that gun?

[ZeroSpace]

One good hit on the head and they die anyways

[Diagasvesle]

One good hit to the head? Puh-leeze any zombie expert will say "impossible" since what are you hitting with? Your fisticuffs?

[ZeroSpace]

Pistol whip fo!
And with a gun that size I am sure it'd kill some zombies

[Newbie]

Okay, starting from the top, in seriousness, using stupid shamble zombies:

Odds are in favor of a slow start. This means that few, if any, of us will be well and truly shafted from the getgo. Those closest may have a day to prepare, assuming the military attempts a quarantine and the charlie-foxtrot occurs as expected. Those of us further away will have anywhere from a week to months before we actually see any zeds, unless they get carried. It's more likely to come from a place involved in medical research (Umbrella Corp, w/e) so odds are in favor of it being in a big city, and probably in the north east us or somewhere in europe. If it's europe I get much more time because the water ought to slow them down, or even float them away all together if they float well enough.

The main deciding factor on how long it takes me to mobilize will be how long it takes me to get this info, as I'm assuming it won't immediately be available. Depending on how much time I have, I like to think I'd post warnings where I could on the internet to get the word out and ensure maximum survivability. But it becomes an issue of trusting anonymous information over the internet: is it a fraud? An elaborate hoax? Special effects? So that slows me down.

After I figure this out and start moving, I'd probably head north. On vehicle at first, but eventually I'd have to walk. I would carry a backpack full of acquired kit, and an empty duffel so I have space. I'd want to have a group with me, and suggest they carry similar equipment. It may be beneficial to liquidate my savings and buy whatever I think I need.

I don't know if I'd be more or less likely to run into horde later into the zombocalypse, but I'd likely carry only a melee weapon at first if only due to availability. I imagine firearms and ammunition may be hard to come by in the immediate aftermath, and a gun is only useful until you run out of bullets. Then it becomes a very fancy club. Presumably, I make it to canada and live a happy life as a zed slayer/leader of a fearless group of survivors.

Hopefully we'd manage to keep some manner of power source, worst case scenario we get to reinvent fire. Assuming we have a power source we could eventually bring over pieces of hospitals, libraries, and whatnot. Then we maybe get to reestablish some manner of society! Assuming no power source, we could likely loot a library book on the history of science and begin ahead of the curve.

What am I missing... Ah! Capture policy on healthy looking zeds after we get settled, but only if we plan on working on a cure. Otherwise, shoot on sight.

[ToxicShock]

tl;dr

I'd live LOL

[Sinfulwolf]

Alright Newbie, whats a list of kit you would bring with you. Lets not include vehicles for the sake of this argument cause I have no desire for that stupid debacle to appear again. Let's assume your heading out on foot. What are you carrying?

[Newbie]

If I'm heading out from home and straight on to the road the probably not much. Bandages, maps if I have them, gear for foul weather( A sweater for cold, a poncho for rain, etc.,), Food if I have non-perishables, a machete, a sharpening tool for said machete. Maybe a blanket or a sleeping roll, though not necessary. I'd like a blunt instrument as well, for opening doors and such. If I have enough people with me, I might even take a cooler along, though I would have to take water anyway. I'd probably try and grab rope or somesuch as well, and a lighter or two. Ideally, I'd have two, maybe three people with me and time to hit the supermarket across the street. Otherwise I'd need to make friends with a group so I could sleep comfortably and survive more easily.

[ToxicShock]

Get a house on stilts with it's back to the ocean, a zipline to a dock with a boat, build a cement wall around it and a moat around that.

[Bob]

yes, i would, because i'm not stupid enough to try to save someone who rushes out a door into zombies, i'd close the door again, and go back to barracading it, then, once the doors were secured, i'd sweep the house, and kill any zombies in it, go out only during the day for supplies, and never alone.

[Lucas]

I'd use this, but it's not nearly deadly enough for my tastes.
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii157/LineMarvelsLucas/Jokes/Pentagun.jpg

[Bob]

besides lucas, the uzi sets it off, you'd have to hold down the trigger to shoot it properly, all the others you pull the trigger to fire, release, then pull again to fire again.

[Lucas]

It'd work better if I set the firing to semi-auto.

[ZeroSpace]

How about just make every gun full auto?

[Kusanagi]

Lancer/Revolver/Scorcher/Frag Grenade/Boomshield. FUCKING END.

:p

Lessee, items... compass, map, water, flashlight, sleeping bag, dried fruits/trail mix, pocky (gotta have it), crowbar, rope, lighter(s), flint n' steel, and stuff I know I'm forgetting right now, but I'll think of later :)

( Maybe some stimpacks, rad-x, rad-away..... :D )